Rule Britannia or not?

[Tombstone]

Who is being offended by our National Anthem? That is still being sung at the Proms and was never up for debate? Or do you think Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory is our National Anthem>?

I wouldnt be against Land of Hope and Glory being the national anthem, its much catchier than God Saves the King/Queen , which drags a little imo. Sometimes sounds more like a dirge.

 

[pp111]

We can't deny our past but it is a bit outdated to glorify it. I have no problem with us updating. Far too many politicians in this country seem to hark back to older times.

 

[Hades]

Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory, which praise our nation, are far better National Anthems than our current one praising only the monarch.

 

[cyclops12]

Who is being offended by our National Anthem? That is still being sung at the Proms and was never up for debate? Or do you think Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory is our National Anthem>?

Jerusalem and Land of Hope and Glory have both been used as England’s National Anthem re the Commonwealth games.

and England’s rugby team.

 

[Rids]

Not that I'm your typical Proms goer / viewer, but I always enjoy the rendition of Land of Hope and Glory. I think it'd be a massive shame to lose it.

 

[Greebo]

Jerusalem and Land of Hope and Glory have both been used as England’s National Anthem re the Commonwealth games.

and England’s rugby team.

I've learnt something new. But officially neither of them are England's National Anthem as we dont have one as can been seen by different sports use different songs over the years.

Roar87 seems to think one of them is our National Anthem though.

 

[Greebo]

Not that I'm your typical Proms goer / viewer, but I always enjoy the rendition of Land of Hope and Glory. I think it'd be a massive shame to lose it.

Same here but we aren't. Just this year due to Covid. But the Nationalists have got their knickers in a twist and see that as an afront to England,

 

[GGizmo]

Yes but there is only a debate going on now by some people because a dog whistle was blown. It has now become a discussion about the lyrics (which have changed over to years to suit current politics and outlooks anyway) when it appears it never was an issue in the first place.

I can see where you're coming from. But I wonder who is blowing the whistle. The people who keep calling the songs racist and comparing us to Nazi's for singing the song, or the people who react to those comments?

These professional people need to shut up and just do their job. If they don't like the songs then don't do them is my advice.

Songs of Praise boss compares 'Rule, Britannia!' to Nazis shouting about the gas chambers
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/songs...nazis-singing-about-the-gas-chambers-1.505931

 

[Roar87]

Who is being offended by our National Anthem? That is still being sung at the Proms and was never up for debate? Or do you think Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory is our National Anthem>?

I actually thought Rule Britannia was sung at sporting events where Britain was being represented, rather than the UK or England etc. Clearly after doing some basic research I'm wrong there. The point still stands though.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

I can see where you're coming from. But I wonder who is blowing the whistle. The people who keep calling the songs racist and comparing us to Nazi's for singing the song, or the people who react to those comments?

These professional people need to shut up and just do their job. If they don't like the songs then don't do them is my advice.

Songs of Praise boss compares 'Rule, Britannia!' to Nazis shouting about the gas chambers
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/songs...nazis-singing-about-the-gas-chambers-1.505931

Worth noting that's the boss of a private production company, so we're essentially insisting on what veiws private citizens can and can't hold.

Have those who bang on about the thought police been notified?

Those comments are also from after the furore.

The crux of this is that there seems precious little, if any evidence of who these people were that the Brexit MP and the Daily Express claim were trying to ban the song.

You say we should look to "The people who keep calling the songs racist"

The point is these people don't appear to exist.

It looks most likely like an entirely manufactured story to whip up the usual suspect.

 

[Greebo]

I can see where you're coming from. But I wonder who is blowing the whistle. The people who keep calling the songs racist and comparing us to Nazi's for singing the song, or the people who react to those comments?

These professional people need to shut up and just do their job. If they don't like the songs then don't do them is my advice.

Songs of Praise boss compares 'Rule, Britannia!' to Nazis shouting about the gas chambers
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/songs...nazis-singing-about-the-gas-chambers-1.505931

Yeah it has now blown up into a stupid debate on the lyrics which never needed to be had in the first place and the loonies on both sides have got worked up over it all. . It does seem that it all started with Michael Fabricant and his poll on Twitter. It does now seem to have been stirred up and snowballed into a concerted campaign to defund the BBC and get rid of the BBC.

Maybe that wasn't the original intent. I am sure Mr Fabricant has enjoyed his 24 hours constant radio/TV interview cycle and the his new fame and increased support for what was really a non issue. He probably just saw it as a good opportunity to bang the English Pride drum like the DM used to do with headlines about the EU wanting to ban our sausages and bendy bananas.

Personally I don't think they should be dropped or the lyrics changed. If you do then God Save the Queen has to go as well.

 

[Hagar]

What drugs have you been taking today? Your post makes no since? Who are the Promenaders? What has Pakistan got to do with Jerusalem? Who are the anti nationalists? People like me who think this has been blown up out of all proportion into a story that it was never about in the first place just so some jingoistic English Nationals can get all triggered over it?

I think @Chris Wilson was contrasting and comparing jingoistic Pakistani nationalist celebration on the streets with people known as promenaders who stand on the floor of the Albert Hall on the last night waving flags, singing, blowing horns, booing or cheering speeches from the podium.

I may be wrong and would hate to misquote him but that is the obvious take on it.

 

[Hades]

Same here but we aren't. Just this year due to Covid. But the Nationalists have got their knickers in a twist and see that as an afront to England,

The point it that the change is probably not due to COVID. COVID is simply being used as a cover for the BBC to backtrack on a controversial decision. The story started when the Times reported that the BBC were considering dropping the song altogether due to concerns over associations with colonialism and slavery. It was also reported that the conductor was keen to reduce the patriotic elements of the event.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53888209
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...xe-in-bbcs-black-lives-matter-proms-0fvhwmwlm

After a backlash the BBC announced that they would play it but drop the lyrics, citing an empty COVID theatre as the cause. But this appears to simply be due to the backlash they received. If the lack of lyrics was genuinely due to COVID then there woul dbe no uproar. But the uproar is due to the original story over the BBC wanting to drop the song entirely and the COVID story appears to many people to be a face saving move by the BBC.

 

[Tombstone]

I wouldnt be against getting rid of the BBC, not for any nationalistic reasons though, just because I think their programmes are crap

 

[Chris Wilson]

What drugs have you been taking today? Your post makes no since? Who are the Promenaders? What has Pakistan got to do with Jerusalem? Who are the anti nationalists? People like me who think this has been blown up out of all proportion into a story that it was never about in the first place just so some jingoistic English Nationals can get all triggered over it?

The comparison is people claiming singing some, historically significant to British history, songs at the "Proms" where the audience are called "Promenaders" is touted as disgraceful show of nationalism. But Pakistanis celebrating Pakistan's Independence Day in an illegal massive gathering during a pandemic, whilst throwing missiles at our hopeless and politically correctly hamstrung police whilst screaming "Pakistan, Pakistan" in their faces, is apparently not a disgraceful show of nationalism.

The singing of certain nationalistic songs by a gentile, often dinner suit clad audience in the Albert Hall appears to offend the BBC and an anti nationalistic element, yet a similar, but illegal and violently hostile nationalistic gathering has not, until I mentioned it, been mooted here as a comparison. That's what my allegedly drug fuelled rant that makes no sense is all about. The comparison of a gentile audience singing historic British nationalistic songs compared to an illegal mass gathering celebrating nationalism whilst being violently hostile to the police attempting to break it up. Does that clarify my stance sufficiently?

 

[cyclops12]

I've learnt something new. But officially neither of them are England's National Anthem as we dont have one as can been seen by different sports use different songs over the years.

Roar87 seems to think one of them is our National Anthem though.

yes both the Scottish anthem along with the Welsh ect are unofficial anthems.

God Save The Queen is officially the British anthem not England’s.

As you said England does'nt have an unofficial anthem.

 

[mmj_uk]

They were handing out EU flags at last years proms, that tells you all you need to know. Remainers won't be happy until we've been dissolved into the EU. It's like Scottish independence it's a total joke, the SNP just want to weaken the UK as a whole and go running back to the EU hoping that England follows either through choice or necessity.

 

[Uther]

Prefer Deutschland uber Alles myself.

 

[Greebo]

They were handing out EU flags at last years proms, that tells you all you need to know. Remainers won't be happy until we've been dissolved into the EU. It's like Scottish independence it's a total joke, the SNP just want to weaken the UK as a whole and go running back to the EU hoping that England follows either through choice or necessity.

"They"? As in a fringe group called the "EU Flags Proms Team" who have been pulling off this stunt since 2016 and nothing to do with the the BBC? Isnt that allowed? I mean its a fairly peaceful protest and none of the people going into the proms actually have to accept the eu flag and wave it do they?

You must have been almost having a blood vessel pop when you watched last year and saw the commie BBC had handed out EU flags and they were waving them?

 

[Hagar]

Prefer Deutschland uber Alles myself.

Or, 'Always look on the bright side of life'.