Russell Brand.

The other thing to consider is that part of our legal history relies upon openness in regards court proceedings.
Things such as someone filling for making someone bankrupt, or the opposite having gone to court and be found not guilty.

If we were to start allowing some cases to be off record (assume we skip a jury in this regard as well?) then its just as likely to cause issues the other way.

I mention bankruptcy since I have some history in this area professionally, but it often relies on the first action to be taken and will then result quite regularly in other parties coming forwards.

Now I do not, and never will support trial by media, the new media has ramped it up, but its always happened. You would have local newspapers reporting on these cases and people would pick up from there, or regularly nationals in regards more serious crimes.
All thats really happened with modern media is that the "finding out" phase happens a hell of a lot faster than it did before.
 
Some people seem to be forgetting that the media can do what they want, they do not take the actual court action.
All the media can do is uncover wrong doing, the CPS will still review that evidence and make a decision before any legal proceedings start.

Some people here seem to skip from a media new story to being in court the next day in their logic.
 
Dis86 said:
Not really. Thought I'd step out and point out you're either struggling with comprehension or being intentionally disingenuous.
He's saying that your outlook on someone should not temper how you view innocence or guilt.
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And how I look at someone shouldn't map directly to a court outcome.
 
Fubsy said:
How would I know for certain this guy on my street is having sex with 16 year old school girls?


Have the police been alerted to his creepy sex pesting?


Why? If this because of a rumour going around?


There's allusion here of him being assaulted. This is a crime, if he didn't fear for his life, he would report it to the police. He doesn't.


So no proof, just a bit of a weirdo and there's a few stories going around.


The man turns up to the petrol station, my brother is angry after hearing all the stories and wants to put an end to it to protect his daughter. He fills him, then douses him in petrol and sets him alight. One less perve in the world.

He gets life for murder. An investigation finds that none of the things that my brother thought this guy had done, were proven to be true.


Everyone.

Yes, I've butchered your post and sensationalised it, but I do however agree with the sentiment of your proposal - people in an area will act to protect and look out for each other, especially with how awful the police are in some places, so a degree of self policing occurs. However, the mob can and does get carried away and has to be guarded against somehow.

I knew a few loner guys that have had rumours passed around, one guys was terrified to be seen out in public because of what people were saying about him. It wasn't true, and never found out how it started, mistaken identity maybe - the guy had to move in the end. I'm personally ashamed, that as a kid, I spread a horrid rumour about my neighbour - I never got a chance to apologise.
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I’m just playing devils advocate.
 
Dis86 said:
But they didn't go to the press. The press sought them out!
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And? That is what investigative journalists do. They hear a rumour and then dig into the story. You expect people to not tell their story if they are approached by a member of the press?

Who is say the women who went to the rape centre meant to go to? She likely knows no one in the press. Would a broadsheet take her story if she approached them? Likely not. A tabloid likely would but she'd have to agree to have her name and face plastered over the story and it would not be about what happened so much but about the salacious stuff they will be desperate to print.

Look I get its terrible if you are accused of something and you didn't do it. At the same time its terrible if something happened to you and you don't feel you will ever get justice. If a reputable member of the press comes along and says you can tell your story and they will publish it you can see why they might want to do it. Especially if they are told there are other victims.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
And? That is what investigative journalists do. They hear a rumour and then dig into the story. You expect people to not tell their story if they are approached by a member of the press?

Who is say the women who went to the rape centre meant to go to? She likely knows no one in the press. Would a broadsheet take her story if she approached them? Likely not. A tabloid likely would but she'd have to agree to have her name and face plastered over the story and it would not be about what happened so much but about the salacious stuff they will be desperate to print.

Look I get its terrible if you are accused of something and you didn't do it. At the same time its terrible if something happened to you and you don't feel you will ever get justice. If a reputable member of the press comes along and says you can tell your story and they will publish it you can see why they might want to do it. Especially if they are told there are other victims.
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She's meant to go to the police...
 
I am reminded of the Huw thread where someone just made up a comment in regards Andi Peters saying he was a nonce.
I assume all the people saying Brand shouldn't be named here were also totally against any prediction in regards who the news presenter was.

I mean it could have damaged his career ;)
 
Dis86 said:
Also I must admit I find it strange that a woman has seemingly kept this message for something like a decade yet never gone to the police with a rape allegation and has only seemingly revealed it when approached by the press.
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Women don't go for lots or reasons. The main one is likely that 99% of accusations never see the inside of a court room and those that do have a terrible conviction rate. That right there is a reason not to put yourself though the ordeal.

She went to a rape centre, the journalists say they've seen the medical records of this. She told a friend that day what happened, they spoke to her. Maybe she kept the messages as a reminder to herself that it wasn't her fault, that she was actually the victim. many rape victims blame themselves. Just because she didn't want to go to the police doesn't mean she is lying.
 
Dis86 said:
Also I must admit I find it strange that a woman has seemingly kept this message for something like a decade yet never gone to the police with a rape allegation and has only seemingly revealed it when approached by the press.
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I think she did, this is from 2006. She probably kept it in the hopes that one day maybe someone might take her claim seriously?

www.dailystar.co.uk

I was drugged and raped in BB star Brand's flat

Telly host Russell Brand is to be quizzed by police about the date rape of a 20-year-old student when he flies back from holiday tomorrow. The brunette claims she was slipped a drugged drink and then raped at the presenter's flat. She had been at a late night party in an Edinburgh bar after...
www.dailystar.co.uk www.dailystar.co.uk
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Women don't go for lots or reasons. The main one is likely that 99% of accusations never see the inside of a court room and those that do have a terrible conviction rate. That right there is a reason not to put yourself though the ordeal.

She went to a rape centre, the journalists say they've seen the medical records of this. She told a friend that day what happened, they spoke to her. Maybe she kept the messages as a reminder to herself that it wasn't her fault, that she was actually the victim. many rape victims blame themselves. Just because she didn't want to go to the police doesn't mean she is lying.
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And yet she can stand for a journalist to plaster it all over the world news?
 
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