Russell Brand.

[jigger]

Likewise, just because allegations are made it doesn't mean you're guilty and should be punished.

I think for most people a 30 year old man soliciting 16 year olds girls sex is unacceptable.

 

[Dis86]

It does not mean that so no worries then.
If allegations are made :
1) the police need to gather evidence and decide if they think there is enough to warrant referral to the CPS
2) the CPS then review the evidence and decide if they believe on balance there is strong enough evidence in order to secure a conviction
3) the courts then try the defendant based on the CPS case, with evidence to the contrary from the defendant

There is no punishment until the court finds the person guilty.

Have you not read this thread? The guy is already being punished.

 

[FoxEye]

The point is that clearly many victims are not being well served by the justice system. There is no way that 99.9% of accusations are false. Women are more aware of these stats than anyone. Why put yourself though the trauma again just to only see their attacker walk free. The CPS have said they are failing victims. I'm not as lawyer so I've zero thought on how they can fix it.

It wasn't 99.9%. The claim was made that 26% are successfully prosecuted and that indicates failure.

What % of allegations are true? What % indicates justice is being served?

 

[Dis86]

I think for most people a 30 year old man soliciting 16 year olds girls sex is unacceptable.

I think the law would disagree with you there.

 

[Fubsy]

It does not mean that so no worries then.
If allegations are made :
1) the police need to gather evidence and decide if they think there is enough to warrant referral to the CPS
2) the CPS then review the evidence and decide if they believe on balance there is strong enough evidence in order to secure a conviction
3) the courts then try the defendant based on the CPS case, with evidence to the contrary from the defendant

There is no punishment until the court finds the person guilty.

No state punishment.

What do you think happens to a person in this scenario in reality?

Edit: at the "allegations are made part".

 

[sidimmu]

Show me you have no clue of the kind of points a defence solicitor will pick up on and use.

Shown the whole thread who you are in one sentence, congrats lad.
Disgusting.

I think the law would disagree with you there.

Got a daughter that's 16? I'll take her number please, I'll show her a respectful time....

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Have you not read this thread? The guy is already being punished.

Lol no hes not

Who is punishing him?

 

[Dis86]

Lol no hes not

Who is punishing him?

The media. The companies that have dropped him.

Is deprevation of income not a form of punishment?

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

It wasn't 99.9%. The claim was made that 26% are successfully prosecuted and that indicates failure.

What % of allegations are true? What % indicates justice is being served?

Suggest you go back and read the article because you have got very confused on what it was saying.

 

[Hedge]

Since it's something inherently difficult to have evidence for (getting grabbed in busy public areas or someone under-skirting on trains/buses) justice can't really be had without the mob being involved.

I shall be exceedingly blunt here... if someone is accused of a criminal act and it's not proven I will naturally forever remain skeptical of their character unless I had absolute knowledge it was untrue. I know it's unfair but I'm not about to let some utopian fantasy get in the way of maximising my own survival.

Unless it was your Mother / Father /Sister / Brother / best friend. Then you'd suddenly give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

No state punishment.

What do you think happens to a person in this scenario in reality?

Edit: at the "allegations are made part".

Reality they are going to be treated a bit like they may be guilty.
Some people will say no way and carry on, others will believe it and have nothing to do with them.

But its an impossibility to make claims against someone with a visible justice system in place.

 

[jigger]

I think the law would disagree with you there.

I think I would disagree with anyone messing around with my 16 year old daughter. Or any 16 year old girl in my family.

 

[StriderX]

Unless it was your Mother / Father /Sister / Brother / best friend. Then you'd suddenly give them the benefit of the doubt.

Well of course naturally, but even then my suspicions will be raised.

 

[Hotwired]

Why are you lot going off on a weird angle with how ok is the legal age for sex.

 

[FoxEye]

Shown the whole thread who you are in one sentence, congrats lad.
Disgusting.


Got a daughter that's 16? I'll take her number please, I'll show her a respectful time....

I'm afraid that the legal system isn't there to punish people for doing things you find objectionable.

Lawful, consensual sex with a 16 yo is lawful, consensual sex.

Everybody has differing ideas of morality and virtue and honour and decency and all that jazz.

There's nothing to stop you campaigning for a change to the law, btw.

 

[Dis86]

I think I would disagree with anyone messing around with my 16 year daughter. Or any 16 year girl in my family.

And yet the police and the courts wouldn't (unless they're in a position of trust).
Odd position though, very controlling of you not allowing any 16 year old girl to have a relationship. Seemingly no issues with 16 year old boys in your family having one? Very odd.

 

[One More Solo]

Has anyone been paid for their story? I'll be amazed if the Times paid any of these women.

I asked this up thread and no one responded, it’s just a way to discredit the accusers with, ironically, no evidence. It’s ******* to suggest someone would sit on this for so long and money is what made them come forward.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

The media. The companies that have dropped him.

Is deprevation of income not a form of punishment?

No not really
Media is media. Like I said before if your a public figure your a public figure, you can't turn that on and off to suit.

Companies are a commercial concern, much like the now proven Farage whaa whaa banks cancelling all over lie. If you become toxic expect that relationship to end.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

But she had the presence of mind at the time to tell her mate and go to a rape centre.
Behavioural conflict.

Damn, have you no thought for people falsely accused of heinous crimes? You seem to be coming from the stand point that they are paragons of honesty and he's Satan incarnate.
I'm simply pointing out things that can be flaws in their argument and cast doubt upon the allegations.

At no point in this thread have I said I thought he did it or insinuated that he did it. I said him having a sexual relationship with a 16 year old made him a creep. So stop putting words in my mouth.

People have and will continue to make allegations about others in the press. You seem to be suggesting that unless you have reported something to the police you should never speak of it again.

I haven't said the women are telling the truth either. However their stories shouldn't be ignored just because they never went to the police. Many of Weinstein's victims never went to the police. Doesn't mean he didn't attack them.

Likewise, just because allegations are made it doesn't mean you're guilty and should be punished.

Who is talking about him being punished? For him to be punished the state has to put him on trial and prove he did it.

 

[Dis86]

No not really
Media is media. Like I said before if your a public figure your a public figure, you can't turn that on and off to suit.

Companies are a commercial concern, much like the now proven Farage whaa whaa banks cancelling all over lie. If you become toxic expect that relationship to end.

Didn't you defend meghan and Harry in their privacy whinge?