Not seen anything to suggest they've been paid for their stories.
Russell Brand.
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Not seen anything to suggest they've been paid for their stories.
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Oh you know why the CPS cases are failing? Can you show us the evidence you've unearthed on this?
It shows how people react to things. If someone you don't like gets accused of something then they are guilty but when it's someone you know they are only guilty once they have been through the courts and even then you might not like the jury's decision.
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I honestly couldn't say.
I CBA with either of them to be honest, but I may have made a post or two, I honestly do not remember doing so however.
Odd to you maybe. Maybe you’re just an odd person. I’d actually feel odd not disagreeing with 30 year old soliciting a 16 year old girl.
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Its far easier to say they are doing it for money as it fits the narrative. If however they have been paid that would raise question marks for me.
wasnt even replying to you, why are you defending such views?
I understand the legal stand point of it all, its not legally wrong, but it is morally unacceptable for a 30+ yr old man going after a 16 yr old, if you do not find a problem with this, then maybe you should be on a register. I dont mean you specifically before you go on a reporting spree of personal attacks to mods, this goes to the entire group of men who do not think this is a problem.
I wont reply to the other user since he cant have a sensible conversation without reverting back to other threads where he has been warned constantly to drop it...
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So what are we saying here. That victims of crime should wait until the media come knocking before reporting crimes to the police?
There is nothing wrong with questioning the timeline here.
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We’ll probably never know what the accusers are thinking. However, if I was in their shoes and had the choice between going to the police to start the ball rolling on a criminal process that may come to nothing or go to the press and blow someone’s life up overnight, the latter option would certainly be tempting.
And I fully recognise how dangerous that is when it comes to false accusations.
No the text message is from an American women, living in LA i believe.
Also
Russell Brand accepts "substantial" damages from Daily Star over rape claim
By Roger Pearson Comedian Russell Brand today accepted a public apology and ‘substantial’but undisclosed libel damages at London’s High Court, over a Daily Star story wrongly linking him to the alleged drugging and raping of a 20-year-old-woman. Brand, the former host of TV show Big Brother’s...pressgazette.co.uk
So not only did an untrue rape allegation not ruin his life he sued for libel and won. I expect he will be suing C4 this time as well
Virtually all rape victims are denied justice: Here is the roadmap to failure. - Saunders Law
This article focuses on the criminal justice outcomes for genuine victims of sex offences. They are referred to as ‘victims’, not ‘alleged victims’. Nothing here is intended to infer that...
www.saunders.co.uk
Fill your boots. Pretty comprehensive breakdown there from a legal standpoint.
I should be on a register for what? Disagreeable moral stances? And the threshold for that is where?
I have no problem whatsoever with a 30 yo having lawful, consensual sex with a 16 yo. Not everything is exploitation.
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What if the allegations are true but there isn’t enough evidence alone to support a criminal conviction? Going to the media to bring other people out of hiding to build a case is a viable option (just like Weinstein).
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People should remember, or enlighten themselves, that 16-18 are still children and as such the childrens acts come into play.
"Although sexual activity in itself is no longer an offence over the age of 16, young people under the age of 18 are still offered protection under the Children Act 1989/2004.
Consideration still needs to be given to issues of sexual exploitation and abuse of power in circumstances outlined below. Young people, of course, can still be subject to offences of rape and assault and the circumstances of an incident may need to be explored with a young person. It is an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 for an adult to engage in sexual activity with any person in respect of whom they are in a position of trust – this still applies if the person is over the age of 18, and whether or not the person consented."
This was trying to tighten the law up a bit.
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In order to determine whether the relationship presents a risk to the young person, the following factors must be considered. This list applies to both male and female young people, regardless of their sexuality. It is not exhaustive and other factors may need to be taken into account:
"Although sexual activity in itself is no longer an offence over the age of 16, young people under the age of 18 are still offered protection under the Children Act 1989/2004.
Consideration still needs to be given to issues of sexual exploitation and abuse of power in circumstances outlined below. Young people, of course, can still be subject to offences of rape and assault and the circumstances of an incident may need to be explored with a young person. It is an offence under the Sexual Offences Act 2003 for an adult to engage in sexual activity with any person in respect of whom they are in a position of trust – this still applies if the person is over the age of 18, and whether or not the person consented."
This was trying to tighten the law up a bit.
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In order to determine whether the relationship presents a risk to the young person, the following factors must be considered. This list applies to both male and female young people, regardless of their sexuality. It is not exhaustive and other factors may need to be taken into account:
- The age of the young person, whether the young person is competent to understand and consent to the sexual activity and their concept of the risks.
- What is known about the young person’s living circumstances or background.
- The nature of the relationship between those involved, particularly if there are age or power imbalances.
- Whether overt or covert aggression, coercion or bribery was involved including misuse of substances/alcohol as a disinhibitor.
- Whether the young person's own behaviour, for example through misuse of substances/alcohol, places them in a position where they are unable to make an informed choices.
- Whether any attempts have been made to secure secrecy by the sexual partner beyond what would be considered usual in a teenage relationship.
- Whether the sexual partner is known to other agencies as having other concerning relationships with similar young people.
- Whether methods used to secure compliance and/or secrecy by the sexual partner are consistent with behaviours considered to be ‘grooming behaviours’.
- The risk indicators and the vulnerability factors as identified by using a designated assessment tool by professionals must be taken into consideration.
- Whether the child or young person has a learning disability or mental health condition."
But that's something that a competent police force can also do. Multiple accusations against someone...maybe its time we took a look. Of course the counter is the evidence may be good enough after the first victim to get them. In which case that could stop there being further victims.
Even if the prosecution isn't successful it might scare the crap out of them enough to stop them offending any more.
If people don't come forward at the time however it doesn't stop there being more victims.
Given he's sued previously then if the allegations are false you'd assume he would go to court again. If he doesn't then you'd think there were elements of truth.
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Virtually all rape victims are denied justice: Here is the roadmap to failure. - Saunders Law
This article focuses on the criminal justice outcomes for genuine victims of sex offences. They are referred to as ‘victims’, not ‘alleged victims’. Nothing here is intended to infer that...
Fill your boots. Pretty comprehensive breakdown there from a legal standpoint.
Did you actually read that before you posted it? If so what did you take from it?
Lawful consensual sex is one thing, exploited and taking advantage of a young persons naivety whilst you being an older and powerful individual in terms of popularity and authority is a completely different thing.
Not everything is explotation correct. A 30 yr old going after a 16 yr old when he has any form of celebrity status is massively quesitonable.
My suspicion is there's probably not enough evidence to convict Brand of anything and there's probably too much truth to it that he won't be able to claim libel this time
You’d have no problem with your 16 year old daughter getting shipped to a 30 year old Russell Brand flat for sex?