Russell Brand.

[Zatoichi.uK]

I think most people just want the facts and to try and filter out the noise.

No-one is denying rape is awful and if it turns out that there is credible evidence to convict him then fine, he can be thrown to the dogs as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sceptical until we see something more concrete personally.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I think most people just want the facts and to try and filter out the noise.

No-one is denying rape is awful and if it turns out that there is credible evidence to convict him then fine, he can be thrown to the dogs as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sceptical until we see something more concrete personally.

I agree with you but there are knuckle draggers above trivialising rape and sexual attacks, unbelievable.

 

[StriderX]

I think most people just want the facts and to try and filter out the noise.

No-one is denying rape is awful and if it turns out that there is credible evidence to convict him then fine, he can be thrown to the dogs as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sceptical until we see something more concrete personally.

Most people don't give a **** and if they were really being honest with themselves they'd want Brand to suffer merely for the entertainment it provides as per the fact that this sort of gossip seems to be very popular on YouTube.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Most people don't give a **** and if they were really being honest with themselves they'd want Brand to suffer merely for the entertainment it provides as per the fact that this sort of gossip seems to be very popular on YouTube.

I don't want him to suffer.
I agree with what Lorraine Kelly said about him - He was paid to be like that. it was funny, entertaining, expected and it was his shtik.
However if he has been naughty beyond his TV character then we'll find out but how that is proved is beyond me.

 

[NZXT30]

I agree with you but there are knuckle draggers above trivialising rape and sexual attacks, unbelievable.

Yes I'm sure OCUK a nerdy forum about computers, software and overclocking is full of knuckle draggers

Due to your age you think you're wise and experienced, got life figured out with the correct opinions. Unfortunately that couldn't be further from the truth.

You're out of touch, clueless and stubborn like a 15 year old. There is a reason scammers target your age group.

 

[bris]

. Stuff like him getting his **** out all of the time, and just being a general grim **** infront of women,

You realise thats a serious crime on its own right? The kind of thing dirty old men do to young girls in the parks, when brand does it is it just a laugh?

Rapes are as rare as unicorns while false accusations are rife.

Rapes are a daily occurrence, they happen every day, most of them are from people known buy the victims.

Most go unreported due to the shock, "did it really just happen" did I bring it on myself" then the shame and fear of people knowing, the "will I be believed" it eats away at them for years and changes them forever.

Your ignorance is astounding

 

[sidimmu]

Yes I'm sure OCUK a nerdy forum about computers, software and overclocking is full of knuckle draggers

Have you seen some of the past 1600 replies? Or are you utilising blind ignorance? Because you have not seen it directly, there fore it is not. Or do you want to be the only one classed as that as you have left some disgusting and untrue remarks in this thread recently.

 

[NZXT30]

Have you seen some of the past 1600 replies? Or are you utilising blind ignorance? Because you have not seen it directly, there fore it is not. Or do you want to be the only one classed as that as you have left some disgusting and untrue remarks in this thread recently.

There is nothing disgusting about stating the obvious after they've been repetitively caught lying about these sort of things for the most trivial of reasons, it's pragmatism.

Some men cannot be helped. I'm just glad the younger generation is more clued in.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Yes I'm sure OCUK a nerdy forum about computers, software and overclocking is full of knuckle draggers

Due to your age you think you're wise and experienced, got life figured out with the correct opinions. Unfortunately that couldn't be further from the truth.

You're out of touch, clueless and stubborn like a 15 year old. There is a reason scammers target your age group.

Oh dear.
No I haven't got life figured out and my opinions aren't always right however I will never trivialise rape and sexual attacks.
I have no idea what world you live in.

Asking for a friend, at what age do you trivialise rape from and what is the upper age before you start caring?

 

[sidimmu]

There is nothing disgusting about stating the obvious after they've been repetitively caught lying about these sort of things for the most trivial of reasons

So you will use a couple of cases to stereotype all?
Logical...

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

With the text message it reads as if they had sex without a condom and he's apologising, it's not really clear what exactly happened though. He apologises and says he'll get an STD test. We only know they had unprotected sex and that she was annoyed about it afterwards. There's no chance of a conviction on this 11 years after the event, the statute of limitations has passed on both of these if they happened in California, and the evidence is flimsy at best.

Russell won't get charged with anything, but again, that's not the goal.

IIRC there is no statute of limitations for rape in California. There is for sex crimes and its 10 years so if this wasn't rape then the statute has likely passed, if she says its rape however it hasn't.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

The hard-line feminists are out for this one.

They people irritate me immensely. I think they do their cause no good whatsoever. When they insist that a man should be guilty just because a woman says he is, then I switch off. Oh, the victims are "survivors". What? I'm sorry, was their life ever at risk? It's a bit like claiming that a woman is a survivor because she successfully returned from Tesco.

I might add that no one is anything until Russell is proven guilty.

This is not feminism. It is extremism, and it's ridiculous.

So those children who were raped by Catholic clergy or the minors and young women in England abused by grooming gangs aren't survivors they are just young people who successfully returned from a shopping trip.

Empathy bypass here folks. I'm sure they all got what they deserved right

 

[SpellowHouse]

I think most people just want the facts and to try and filter out the noise.

No-one is denying rape is awful and if it turns out that there is credible evidence to convict him then fine, he can be thrown to the dogs as far as I'm concerned.

I'm sceptical until we see something more concrete personally.

I have no doubt he would not deliberately rape someone. Having said that, the question is at what point does his "pushiness" become rape? To me, it is quite possible he believes he is innocent but in fact is guilty. I guess we will just have to wait and see. I assume all this will end up in court.

 

[SpellowHouse]

So those children who were raped by Catholic clergy or the minors and young women in England abused by grooming gangs aren't survivors they are just young people who successfully returned from a shopping trip.

Empathy bypass here folks. I'm sure they all got what they deserved right

Yes, it was a stupid metaphor, but it was to emphasise how nuts it is to call a rape victim a "survivor" when the rape is non-violent. It is a word that is over-used by the woke police.

It is, imo, just emotive to call any non-violent victims "survivors" when there was no threat to their actual survival.

They are victims, yes. Of a terrible crime, yes. And people who commit the crime should be locked up forever. But it's ridiculous and woke to call them "survivors". Especially when no crime has been proven.

 

[Demon]

You missed the point. The point is that you aren't a survivor when your life was never in danger. It's just a ridiculous statement. You survive the titanic. You don't survive Russell Brand. Well, actually, you always do, and that's the point. You might not survive a violent rapist, but are we really suggesting that Russell is a violent rapist? There has never been any suggest of that. Calling someone a survivor after meeting Russell Brand is just stupid. Especially since nothing has been proven.

Whilst I understood the context of your post:

i.e. using the traditional meaning of the word survivor "a person who survives, especially a person remaining alive after an event in which others have died.", Hence qualifying it with "What? I'm sorry, was their life ever at risk?"

You should know that there are quite a few definitions attributed to the word, here's what google bring back:

noun: survivor; plural noun: survivors

1. a person who survives, especially a person remaining alive after an event in which others have died.
   "he was the sole survivor of the massacre"
   • the remainder of a group of people or things.
     "a survivor from last year's team"
   • a person who copes well with difficulties in their life.
     "she is a born survivor"
   • a person who has experienced abuse or cruel treatment, especially of a sexual or psychological nature.
     "survivors of sexual assault in the military say that many victims never report an incident"

So I'd say a gross misunderstanding all around, I could figure out the context of your post, and unless you tell me otherwise, I'm going to say you are not trivialising rape as being equated to going shopping to Tesco's, and conversely if you missed your qualifying statement and didn't get the context I can see why people think you might have..

 

[C Kent]

Yes, it was a stupid metaphor, but it was to emphasise how nuts it is to call a rape victim a "survivor" when the rape is non-violent. It is a word that is over-used by the woke police.

It is, imo, just emotive to call any non-violent victims "survivors" when there was no threat to their actual survival.

They are victims, yes. Of a terrible crime, yes. And people who commit the crime should be locked up forever. But it's ridiculous and woke to call them "survivors". Especially when no crime has been proven.

Rape is still classed as a violent crime isnt it? Maybe you mean non life threatening? i think most people understood the sentiment behind your post, but unfortunately theres a lot of people who like to jump on posters for the smallest of 'faux pas' let alone something around a fairly emotive subject such as rape/sexual abuse

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

They are victims, yes. Of a terrible crime, yes. And people who commit the crime should be locked up forever. But it's ridiculous and woke to call them "survivors". Especially when no crime has been proven.

I expect its difficult to begin to imagine the trauma of being raped. Survivor could be entirely appropriate for certain individuals. Perhaps you are taking it too literally.

 

[Scarfacé]

Yes I'm sure OCUK a nerdy forum about computers, software and overclocking is full of knuckle draggers

Due to your age you think you're wise and experienced, got life figured out with the correct opinions. Unfortunately that couldn't be further from the truth.

You're out of touch, clueless and stubborn like a 15 year old. There is a reason scammers target your age group.

He didn't say OCUK was 'full of them' and you think because someone is a member of these forums, they don't have strange views? Gamers don't exactly have a great reputation when it comes to misogyny, racism etc. so your opinion is even more bizarre. Plus, he's spot on, some of comments in this thread are appalling. As for Russell Brand and anyone else accused of crimes, they should be judged via the legal system. I've long been saying it's wrong that the media and social media have the ability to ruin lives and careers without due process. It's not like they get it right every time either, resulting in things like suicide and destroyed careers before going on to be found not guilty. Even then there's a lot of people will still consider them as guilty...

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I have no doubt he would not deliberately rape someone.

Wow, you know him that well?
Personally I'll reserve judgement.

They are victims, yes. Of a terrible crime, yes. And people who commit the crime should be locked up forever. But it's ridiculous and woke to call them "survivors". Especially when no crime has been proven.

A lot of rape victims are 'survivors', many of them go through such trauma that they are that close to suicide.
I personally know a male rape victim, a big fit rugby player who was punched to the ground by four blokes who then raped him.
He survived multiple blackouts and attempts (yes I know cries for help) over the years but after he couldn't take the ridicule any more he lost control over a bloke taking the pee out of him for being raped and killed him.
He's still going through major trauma in prison and 'surviving'.

 

[GGizmo]

I've noticed that some victims of sexual abuse become hyper sexual themselves. This can lead to a general over sexualisation of their life which lacks boundaries.

I've been around one person like that and let's just say when standing talking to the person (a woman) she always stood very close to people. It made some of the guys in relationships wary of her. She did it with every guy to the level it became a talking point.

Because I know her personality I know she wouldn't know she was crossing boundaries with people.