Russell Brand.

[dowie]

Got you lot talking about him though hasn't he.

Job done!

well yes, as far as keeping himself in the public eye, maintaining his career and publicity for his films/tours/projects he's doing a pretty good job

 

[dowie]

How out of touch is he? Change is going to come from ordinary people is it? Wake up ******* the ordinary people have spoken and we have a Conservative majority. He knows nothing past the middleclass London suburbs, time rich Twitterati and the commentators of the guardian.

yup, like the comment from the bloke running a takeaway van on CNN:

'good result for the country, good for business'

the idea the tories are just for the super rich is nonsense, their policies clearly appeal to a wide range of people from various walks of life

 

[Tefal]

i dislike the way he talks to people getting right in their face theres a guy at work who does the exact same thing, but its no matter what your talking about even a polite conversation about the weather is incredibly uncomfortable with someone leaning right in about 5 inches from your face.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

ITT salty people.

So much bitterness in here, at least he's contributing something positive unlike the putrid bile most of you put out. "id deck him" oh i'm sure you would mister internet tuff guy.

LOL....he's actually helped quite a lot of people.

 

[Glaucus]

Is he ******* off somewhere and never being in the public eye again, yet.
Horrible person, nothing but an egoistic bully.

 

[dowie]

the tories he's criticising have contributed something positive and helped even more people, created jobs, reduced unemployment, improved the economy.... yet all he can do is wine and call them mean

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Is he ******* off somewhere and never being in the public eye again, yet.
Horrible person, nothing but an egoistic bully.

Surprises me coming from you.

You seem to hate poor people going by some of your ridiculous posts.

 

[estebanrey]

Complains about "right wing media" influencing the decision

Says he's upset his interview with Milliband and his crappy 'Trews' videos didn't cause a major Labour surge.

I guess only the radical left are allowed to use their media access to try and sway the vote in their favour.

 

[Glaucus]

Surprises me coming from you.

You seem to hate poor people going by some of your ridiculous posts.

Where's this hate you seen.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Complains about "right wing media" influencing the decision

Says he's upset his interview with Milliband and his crappy 'Trews' videos didn't cause a major Labour surge.

I guess only the radical left are allowed to use their media access to try and sway the vote in their favour.

He's talking about the mainstream media, youtube is hardly the sun. Big difference.... and yes the mainstream media is full of ********.

If you can't grasp that there is no point going any further with this discussion.

 

[elmarko]

I'd prefer the 'left' get a more palatable spokesperson who has some actual solutions & proposes meaningful & realistic change, the public is not swayed by extremities.

What I'd love is a new political party to rise from Labours/Liberal Democrats embarrassing defeat, one which is based on logic, reason & evidence - with a strong ethical socially progressive core. Without the 'hippy' Green party element, fixed ideological stances of the traditional left/right dichotomy & a series of policies which are both achievable & aimed at a slow realistic transitional change.

Ideally fronted by a leader who has the eloquence & intelligence to put forward complex solutions to a public unfamiliar with this kind of method.

(Somebody like...)

I can dream right?.

 

[dowie]

A party based on logic, evidence and reason could quite easily end up being a centre right party with much in common with liberal conservatives and orange book lib dems... or essentially the previous coalition!

 

[Domi]

If you think that the likes of youtube and twitter are not mainstream media it is you who is making the mistake.

Brand has near enough 10 million followers on twitter the Sun newspaper barely sells 2 million copies daily.

 

[elmarko]

A party based on logic, evidence and reason could quite easily end up being a centre right party with much in common with liberal conservatives and orange book lib dems... or essentially the previous coalition!

Not really, for example laws related to resolving long term unemployment & criminality would have to look at nations succeeding in this & replicating the approaches they use.

The Nordic countries would be used as a model to attempt to replicate, who are on average not on the right side of the spectrum.

For crime, there is the traditional Conservative method (harsh punishments, long sentences, no prevention) - which objectively & according to all the evidence doesn't work. Then there is the 'left' method of prevention, rehabilitation & a reduction in needlessly long sentences for non-violent criminals which does objectively work.

Not all systems are equal & not all ideological stances are as close to the evidence - facts like it or not, tend to have a liberal bias. Again this should be expected, as Conservatism is about traditional & resistance to change, as our understanding of the world progresses, the causes of negative behavior are better known - different approaches are highlighted as being more pragmatic.

 

[dowie]

Not really, for example laws related to resolving long term unemployment & criminality would have to look at nations succeeding in this & replicating the approaches they use.

yes really, for example the austerity policy, which has been successful so far, was based on evidence from Canada

you can cherry pick examples from either side really

as for 'facts like it or not, tend to have a liberal bias' I'm not even sure what you mean there

also

Conservatism is about traditional & resistance to change, as our understanding of the world progresses, the causes of negative behavior are better known - different approaches are highlighted as being more pragmatic.

yet my example was liberal conservatives and orange book liberals

frankly you can still, in theory, have a 'centre right' govt with policies driven by evidence just as you could have a 'centre left' govt with policies driven by evidence, they can still differ based on aims and ideology while having sound evidence behind the policies they chose... though in reality a lot of policy on either side is purely ideological initially.

 

[Glaucus]

But this is where we need to move away from MPs or if we keep mps, experts play a far greater roll and mps can't overall them.
We need to move to evidence based government, instead of popularity based.

 

[jigger]

I'd prefer the 'left' get a more palatable spokesperson who has some actual solutions & proposes meaningful & realistic change, the public is not swayed by extremities.

What I'd love is a new political party to rise from Labours/Liberal Democrats embarrassing defeat, one which is based on logic, reason & evidence - with a strong ethical socially progressive core. Without the 'hippy' Green party element, fixed ideological stances of the traditional left/right dichotomy & a series of policies which are both achievable & aimed at a slow realistic transitional change.

Ideally fronted by a leader who has the eloquence & intelligence to put forward complex solutions to a public unfamiliar with this kind of method.

(Somebody like...)

I can dream right?.

I would vote for that party even if it was lead by an American.

 

[John40]

If you think that the likes of youtube and twitter are not mainstream media it is you who is making the mistake.

Brand has near enough 10 million followers on twitter the Sun newspaper barely sells 2 million copies daily.

The vast majority of Brand fans can't vote as they're too young so pretty irrelevant.

 

[Domi]

The vast majority of Brand fans can't vote as they're too young so pretty irrelevant.

To be fair the vast majority of Sun readers can barely read so it must even out.

 

[robgmun]

i dislike the way he talks to people getting right in their face theres a guy at work who does the exact same thing, but its no matter what your talking about even a polite conversation about the weather is incredibly uncomfortable with someone leaning right in about 5 inches from your face.

Seems to a condition that effects most Marxists for some reason, like it's the only way they can communicate

Not really, for example laws related to resolving long term unemployment & criminality would have to look at nations succeeding in this & replicating the approaches they use.

The Nordic countries would be used as a model to attempt to replicate, who are on average not on the right side of the spectrum.

For crime, there is the traditional Conservative method (harsh punishments, long sentences, no prevention) - which objectively & according to all the evidence doesn't work. Then there is the 'left' method of prevention, rehabilitation & a reduction in needlessly long sentences for non-violent criminals which does objectively work.

Not all systems are equal & not all ideological stances are as close to the evidence - facts like it or not, tend to have a liberal bias. Again this should be expected, as Conservatism is about traditional & resistance to change, as our understanding of the world progresses, the causes of negative behavior are better known - different approaches are highlighted as being more pragmatic.

The problem is, and this is what most people who vermently support Labour seem to lose sight of, is that the British Public has no apatite for Socialism any more in the modern world. The only reason Labour was in power for 13 years was because of Tony Blair which turned the Labour party into the conservatives-lite and it was the only way they could get back into power.

As soon as Gordon Brown took over the Labour party were quickly going back to the left and they lost the election, and today we saw what we got with Milliband.

The only way Labour will get power again is to abandon Socialism in it's true sense of the word and return to being conservatives-lite