Russell Brand.

[MoNkeE]

So going to the police is hard but a TV show or posting on twitter is easy?

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.

My understanding is, most have not gone to the police. They have likely spoken to a journalist and then a voice actor read their lines?

 

[Roar87]

Yes it’s shocking tbh, what if there are never any charges brought or it eventually goes to court and he is found innocent? The coverage of this is disrespectful and doesn’t help the alleged victims apart from financially.

Russell Brand has a family and daughters himself, the BBC do not care. There's no formal charges or investigation been brought forward. There's no evidence. Anonymous accusations with politicians acting like he's guilty? What kind of society are we now living in where people can do this to men on the basis of nothing.

 

[CapitalOne]

Why "men" and not "people"?

 

[Roar87]

Why "men" and not "people"?

Sexual assault accusations? Have they happened to women?

 

[DarrenM343]

I only skimmed it but I don't understand how after all these years since it's happened, there's four cases where none of the 'victims' know each other and it all comes out exactly the same time? And it's not gone through any court I don't think(?), just via the media.
So for now sounds like a cash grab tbh.
Any such accusations should go through the courts to completion. No payoffs either (thinking of Prince Andrew here)

 

[Hagar]

I think that the BBC have waited on Channel 4 with this. After the spanking they got for Cliff Richard, Paul Gambachini and others.

 

[MoNkeE]

Russell Brand has a family and daughters himself, the BBC do not care. There's no formal charges or investigation been brought forward. There's no evidence. Anonymous accusations with politicians acting like he's guilty? What kind of society are we now living in where people can do this to men on the basis of nothing.

FWIW, the Jimmy Saville thread is a hilarious read if you look at the initial responses from people maintaining his innocence and how he should be left alone. If this then causes a wave of people to come out of the woodwork and criminal charges to be raised against him which he’s subsequently found guilty of, will your view change? Do victims have to be mindful that he’s now changed his way and have a family, and their historic suffering should go unpunished?

 

[montymint]

Why are you and other assuming it has anything to do with politics? Is the Times suddenly a lefty newspaper going after right wing thinkers? Though of course that is now the narrative on social media, they are all victims for telling the "truth"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1703089400270500225

Imagine being so far right that you think the times is a lefty paper

 

[Zefan]

Why "men" and not "people"?

Honk honk.

 

[Roar87]

FWIW, the Jimmy Saville thread is a hilarious read if you look at the initial responses from people maintaining his innocence and how he should be left alone. If this then causes a wave of people to come out of the woodwork and criminal charges to be raised against him which he’s subsequently found guilty of, will your view change? Do victims have to be mindful that he’s now changed his way and have a family, and their historic suffering should go unpunished?

Oh okay, how about about the Caroline Flack thread instead?

 

[tenofspades]

this channel 4 documentary didn't go easy on anyone, it even lynched the channel it was even on, with the Big Brother days and a supposed contract of 'no sexual misbehaviour' for Russell Brand, and then channel 4 denies any knowledge of it.

 

[Slam62]

I’m not saying he didn’t do anything, but also there is a due process for this.

The times and C4 have lawyers but they also have accountants and risk assessors , the business case will be, how much will we make out of this and how much will it cost if we are found to have acted inappropriately?

Didn’t the bbc have to pay Cliff Richard for some allegations?

It stinks from all sides. Tbh

 

[Zefan]

Imagine being so far right that you think the times is a lefty paper

Imagine being so *insert pejorative of your choice* that you don't understand politics is more than left and right.

Brand has been consistently anti-establishment, the idea is that this is an establishment attack.

 

[robgmun]

It sounds like all the accusers were his girlfriends having consensual sex before the events with him and they met to have sex on the day the incidents where the events occured. Either they changed their minds and were forced where he either felt they were in agreement or purposely forced them or perhaps they had regrets after the event happened.

I think it's quite different to a violent rape by a stranger where it's cut and dry.

Men have been convicted of raping their wives. How is this any different?

 

[Resident]

FWIW, the Jimmy Saville thread is a hilarious read if you look at the initial responses from people maintaining his innocence and how he should be left alone. If this then causes a wave of people to come out of the woodwork and criminal charges to be raised against him which he’s subsequently found guilty of, will your view change? Do victims have to be mindful that he’s now changed his way and have a family, and their historic suffering should go unpunished?

Let me preface my response with this, I have no doubt that Saville was guilty and I'm not defending him.

However I question the high number of alleged victims, all that came out of the woodwork AFTER the initial MEDIA lead outing from the original stack of victims. How many of the alleged victims weren't actually and just attention seekers looking for 5 mins of fame?

If Channel 4 really had solid evidence against Brand then why was it not turned over to the police to allow them to formally investigate and charge Brand with the crimes? How many of that 'wave of people to come out of the woodwork' will simply be attention seekers, looking for that 5mins of fame, especially in today's narcissistic society?

One piece of the evidence claimed is from a rape kit done at a rape crisis centre & the alleged victim has been forthcoming with Channel 4 then why was it not reported to the police? Physical evidence of the crime was collected.

I'm not saying none of this didn't happen but it does seem more of a hatchet job.

 

[jigger]

Why "men" and not "people"?

Because complex.

 

[Vidar]

This whole thing is simply disgusting, I personally don't like Russell Brand, but allegations of rape and sexual assault are extremely sensitive and should be kept out of the public eye until proceedings are over. At least until charges are brought. The problem is this stuff is the type of **** that sticks even if you're proven innocent of it. To say some women don't make these vile false accusations to ruin someone's life doesn't happen is just moronic. It does happen to some degree and that's a verifiable fact.

That said, I know several women who've unfortunately had this genuinely happen to them and are too afraid to come forward. A common theme is the fear of public scrutiny, people knowing what happened to them and being accused of lying about it or doing it to gain attention.

I don't know what the answer exactly is, but there has to be a better way of handling these things by keeping them out of the public eye until proven or disproven, however the individual case might be.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

FWIW, the Jimmy Saville thread is a hilarious read if you look at the initial responses from people maintaining his innocence and how he should be left alone. If this then causes a wave of people to come out of the woodwork and criminal charges to be raised against him which he’s subsequently found guilty of, will your view change? Do victims have to be mindful that he’s now changed his way and have a family, and their historic suffering should go unpunished?

There’s a way to go about it and that’s through a legal route and not by media. You are using the most extreme scenario, forgetting about all the innocent lives ruined by this nonsense.

 

[chrismscotland]

This whole thing is simply disgusting, I personally don't like Russell Brand, but allegations of rape and sexual assault are extremely sensitive and should be kept out of the public eye until proceedings are over. At least until charges are brought.

I tend to agree, at least until the point that the police/prosecutors believe they have enough evidence to charge someone anyway.
Although I would say that for any type of charge, not just sex crimes.

 

[jigger]

This whole thing is simply disgusting, I personally don't like Russell Brand, but allegations of rape and sexual assault are extremely sensitive and should be kept out of the public eye until proceedings are over. At least until charges are brought. The problem is this stuff is the type of **** that sticks even if you're proven innocent of it. To say some women don't make these vile false accusations to ruin someone's life doesn't happen is just moronic. It does happen to some degree and that's a verifiable fact.

That said, I know several women who've unfortunately had this genuinely happen to them and are too afraid to come forward. A common theme is the fear of public scrutiny, people knowing what happened to them and being accused of lying about it or doing it to gain attention.

I don't know what the answer exactly is, but there has to be a better way of handling these things by keeping them out of the public eye until proven or disproven, however the individual case might be.

It’s the cost of a career in public life.