Russell Brand.

wesimmo said:
I'm still quite conflicted by how these cases all play out though. The idealism of innocent until proven guilty is tempered by the reality of an Internet world where these things can't be kept quiet until resolved.

I also think that in these cases that even when someone is guilty of some crimes, again the reality of the world today is that there will be some false accusations made, and they don't help because they muddy the waters.

That said, I don't hold with the argument that not reporting things at the time or going to the police means it never happened or is a case of regret. Doing so often means your own life is dissected and trawled through for what are pretty low chances of getting a result, so it's understandable that these things aren't reported until the dam breaks and people feel there's safety in numbers.
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Harvey Weinstein would be the obvious point to bring up - It took a few women speaking out years later for allegations to start snowballing, and eventually he was convicted of 5 felonies out of about 20.

NOTE that I'm not equating Brand to Weinstein, just expanding on the point about why women don't come forward straight away.
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
That’s just a bold faced lie. I made one claim which was, he was found liable for a specific thing (which was true he was). And I said let’s see what will happen with the other cases.

And you took that to mean I’m championing his innocence.

Ironic that you talk about trump being a liar when you struggle to be honest about another persons post. Go peddle you BS elsewhere.
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Oh if you say so it must be true. You said you didn't know exactly what he was liable for, I posted a source outlining exactly what, and that the fact of the matter is everything that trump says is always a lie, this much is a fact, it is always fact checked when he says something, and it's always a lie as it turns out to nobody's surprise, yet you still want to give him half a chance and see where things go with the other cases against him. Hmm sure.

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There are more people questioning you in threads than the other way round, perhaps you are the problem.
 
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BowdonUK said:
It shows how far society as fallen. Many tenets of society have collapsed. Now it struggles with basic justice.

Professionalism, impartiality, the legal process are all verging on being lost to mob rule.

Objectification and dehumanisation in the poison at the centre of a lot of problems these days.

Brand might be guilty. But abandoning societies principles for one person isn't good enough. We've all been damaged by this process.
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Honestly, these posts are every inch as hysterical as the "believe all women" ones. Fact is, this has gone on forever and before social media/the internet did it, the papers were every bit as bad. It's a totally rose tinted view of the past.

Furthermore, anyone saying his life and career have been ruined, I fundamentally disagree. None of his fans and supporters believe any of the allegations and even if they are proven will console themselves in the "knowledge" it was a stitch up, and they'll carry on watching his content on whichever platform will host it. To that point, YouTube etc are private enterprises and can act as they see fit. He was quite happy existing outside the mainstream and will continue to do so whichever way this goes.

As a wider point, it's interesting how so many folks align themselves with the right before going off the deep end or being exposed (Trump, Musk, Kanye West, Brand...). Part of me thinks it's because railing about the "MSM" etc is a convenient defence against being found to have acted abhorrently and taking responsibility for it.
 
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As a wider point, it's interesting how so many folks align themselves with the right before going off the deep end or being exposed (Trump, Musk, Kanye West, Brand...). Part of me thinks it's because railing about the "MSM" etc is a convenient defence against being found to have acted abhorrently and taking responsibility for it.
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That is absolutely it.
 
One More Solo said:
As a wider point, it's interesting how so many folks align themselves with the right before going off the deep end or being exposed (Trump, Musk, Kanye West, Brand...). Part of me thinks it's because railing about the "MSM" etc is a convenient defence against being found to have acted abhorrently and taking responsibility for it.
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This is the weird thing. I can't stand Brand so haven't really watched much of his stuff. But I always thought he was a raving leftie. Is that not the case? Has he always been right wing, did he start left and moved to the right or is he still left wing but believes in some things that people associate with the right?
 
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ANDREW GREEN said:
Apparently there's a 6 year statute of limitations on compensation for matters like this.
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Maybe, but people will and have claimed they're getting paid for their story by the media.

Again, this may or may not be true, I just think for many people that's small compensation for the scrutiny they put themselves under.

For example the woman who was 16 at the time probably does look back with regret at the choices she made as a naive and impressionable girl and is embarrassed it's all coming out. If anyone claims they always made good life decisions at 16 then they're probably lying.
 
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Jono8 said:
This. Nothing has inherently changed. We just have the technology now that means everyone knows everything instantly.

That poster is acting like people getting judged on rumours or accusations has never happened before in the history of society :cry:
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Totally...baffling that's even the core of the argument some members are putting forwards.

It's because he's appealed to right wing mouth frothers who spend every evening being sheep dipped on YouTube.
 
Hades said:
This is the weird thing. I can't stand Brand so haven't really watched much of his stuff. But I always thought he was a raving leftie. Is that not the case? Has he alwasy bee right, did he start left and moved to the right or is he still left wing but believes in some things that people associate with the right?
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He used to be a leftie afaik, he did a video with ed miliband in support of labour for the 2015 election.
 
tyke_ said:
He used to be a leftie afaik, he did a video with ed miliband in support of labour for the 2015 election.
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Hmmmm

www.bbc.co.uk

Russell Brand's quest for revolution

Comedian Russell Brand tells BBC Newsnight's Jeremy Paxman that he has never voted, and he never will, as the UK's political system has created a "disenfranchised, disillusioned underclass" that it fails to serve.
www.bbc.co.uk

I think Brand interviewed him for 'The Trews'
 
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tyke_ said:
Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? :rolleyes:

Now i know in many cases pre-emptive measures against the accused turned out to be justified....but not in every single case.
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I dunno what you're laughing at @dlockers (u put the rofl smilie on the above post), if i had to bet on it i'd bet there is substance to the accusations, but surely things must and should be proven before measures are taken against the accused?
 
mrk said:
Oh if you say so it must be true. …Snipped out the useless rambling…
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Yeah it was true. The right wing source ( this a joke don’t get offended) known as the AP said he was found liable for sexual abuse (which does line up with your link). What ever that means. Which from memory wasn’t what they were originally trying to get him on.

No I didn’t read your link originally. I skimmed your post and found you rambling about unrelated things such as what you are doing now.
 
My guy the only rambler here is you. You seem to be incapable of letting things go, just keep coming back for more.

Hades said:
This is the weird thing. I can't stand Brand so haven't really watched much of his stuff. But I always thought he was a raving leftie. Is that not the case? Has he always been right wing, did he start left and moved to the right or is he still left wing but believes in some things that people associate with the right?
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Since he found a platform on youtube since around Covid times? He started his regular shows where he discusses all current affairs, it was clear the new direction he was travelling in because the right is where the viewership is and those who shout the loudest or weirdest are often the ones that gather the biggest audience. It's a business at the end of the day and these people will go wherever the audience is the biggest, whether it's ego or just the mindset of profiting no matter what is another matter. There are lots of examples of members of the left who then found their "Place" on the right because they're more popular there, or they know they can grift a larger £££.
 
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