Russell Brand.

mid_gen said:
So you don't think that individuals and companies should be free to decide how they act, and who they associate with?
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Accept most if not all of them do it because they are scared of the media and twitter fools giving them grief.

Most companies are too busy exploiting people in other countries and you think they really give a **** about some accusations about sexual misconduct?
 
dlockers said:
No authoritative source has taken that away. People have just reported the allegations, which are unlikely to ever get criminally endorsed due to the burden of proof the legal system requires. People have just decided they don't want to associate with him, and understandably so unless you're a lemming.
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People report the accusation, the accused has everything taken away. You can't see the problem with this? Brand deserves everything he gets if he's proven to have done this. Until then, he's innocent. I note one accuser has already withdrawn their statements.
 
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These sorts of thing are always tricky.
My opinion boils down to, if you choose to make yourself a public figure or live your life in public then you don't deserve and should not expect the same level of secrecy as someone who is the opposite.
If you have choose to make your self of public interest then its what you have given up for the adoration, money etc that comes with that.

For every "they shouldn't have their lives affected" there is an "without metoo it would have remained secret and unpunished"

I tend to disregard the not coming forwards thing. I have seen first hand with a friend of my other halves. She kept some child abuse secret for over 30 years. It was only after the person who abused her died that she "admitted" to it. People were initially sceptical but when she described some things and they were found people suddenly realised the truth. It appears these things were kept as trophies.

We often mention it in regards politicians but its the same for all public figures. You need to not only be clean, but appear clean. If you don't then your likely to see some issues in that regards. Rightly or wrongly thats just reality.

I remember a school friend (secondary). A famous at the time snooker player tried it on with her, she had a part time job at a local hotel where he was staying for an exhibition match.
He eventually did stop but from her account she really struggled to get him to and to take seriously she was underage, she did look mature for her age. As it was she had her underwear signed by him in the end which she showed all her mates (male and female) the day after!
Wonder what she did with that now. Hes never from what I can tell ever been accused of anything.
I think how different that would be now, probably on insta or something within hours and a whole trawling for other similar events would commence.
 
kitch9 said:
People report the accusation, the accused has everything taken away. You can't see the problem with this?
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Define everything? He was a guest in someone else's house. Can't cry victim when you are playing in someone else's house.
 
kitch9 said:
There was no case to answer, it would have been exceedingly difficult.
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He's not been given the opportunity to defend himself - or to put it another way, the opportunity was taken away when the case was dropped. Instead, in a limbo of neither guilty nor innocent. Then in a way, that's a punishment.

Edit: sorry for dragging us off topic.
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
We often mention it in regards politicians but its the same for all public figures. You need to not only be clean, but appear clean. If you don't then your likely to see some issues in that regards. Rightly or wrongly thats just reality.
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I've snipped most of your post for brevity, hope you don't mind. Unfortunately those types of stories are so common :(

The bit I have quoted is a very important aspect. Even if people HAVEN'T done something, they can be threatened* in the current environment. Yes, they could eventually clear themselves and the other person prosecuted, but then the damage is done. We know the playbook and can predict with reasonable accuracy the steps that will be taken when the news stories break.

It's a climate that will breed further corruption if used expertly. Who knows what goes on behind all of the closed doors of power and celebrity.

*essentially blackmail to tarnish their 'clean' appearance.
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
Accept most if not all of them do it because they are scared of the media and twitter fools giving them grief.

Most companies are too busy exploiting people in other countries and you think they really give a **** about some accusations about sexual misconduct?
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Have you read this post back to yourself and thought about if it makes any sense?
 
Hades said:
In the case of Brand one of his accusers did go to a rape crisis centre. So there is a strong chance that evidence, including DNA samples, exist unless it is destroyed after a certain time. I don't believe she has made a report to the police yet but if what happened to her is true then I hope she does. If she has evidence then it does need to be taken to the police.
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I did mention this in my very first post in this thread.

Russell Brand.

Having read the article, I do think the '16 year old Alice' thing is a bit of a nothingburger. Mainly because her mum seemed fine with it at the time, which is a bizzare parental decision IMO. This is a man going out with your teenage daughter. However, the rape in LA is pretty serious and...
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Guess some boy bands are crapping themselves now.

Aside from the fact I cant stand the bloke, he is being rail roaded out of town by the media and the social nonsense sites.
 
Hades said:
If it's on Whatsapp:

Widescreen monitor.
Rotate into portrait mode.
Use Whatsapp web.
Screenshot the whole thing in one go.

It might be possible on other messaging apps too.
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It's all very much yes, no, maybe given who knows what devices or tools were available for producing 'screenshots', and that's assuming it is a screenshot and not a reproduction/created graphic of the text (as other outlets have done).

Either way, it adds plenty of doubt around this Youtubers 'proof' of evidence tampering/forgery.
 
People have to be accountable for what they say and do.

I noticed Vanessa Feltz complaining that she was on a show that Brand hosted and he asked her some inappropriate questions about her daughters. She was claiming she was uncomfortable.

Feltz, like everyone, knew Brands style. She knew she would be asked questions like that and now she's acting like she was shocked.

Faux outrage.

P s. This is the same woman trying to get Schofield a job at TalkTV.
 
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Fubsy said:
He's not been given the opportunity to defend himself - or to put it another way, the opportunity was taken away when the case was dropped. Instead, in a limbo of neither guilty nor innocent. Then in a way, that's a punishment.

Edit: sorry for dragging us off topic.
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I'm sure he has enough agency with various publications to issue a statement that isn't just him talking about 'them' people 'coming for him'.

It's like when someone is asked to explain a racist or sexist joke and they get shy. He's a sex pest whose gathered too many stripes. He has no excuse other than being a sex pest.
 
dlockers said:
I'm sure he has enough agency with various publications to issue a statement that isn't just him talking about 'them' people 'coming for him'.

It's like when someone is asked to explain a racist or sexist joke and they get shy. He's a sex pest whose gathered too many stripes. He has no excuse other than being a sex pest.
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Just like this chap who is accused of sexually abusing boys. He nailed it with his apology:

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BowdonUK said:
P s. This is the same woman trying to get Schofield a job at TalkTV.
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i dont claim to be an expert (as i dont sit around reading about all sexual predators - either alleged or proven ) but he was another one which at the time iirc I felt he was unfairly treated tbh....

again however, i must admit i could be wrong on him and may be biased because i always really liked the silver fox's persona which could just be fake.
 
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I think given one girl has apparently gone to the Police, Russell Brand will be forced to seek legal advice, which means he can't issue any sort of statement. Probably best to let the crazy hysterical people move on to their next outrage victim before he comes out and gives his side of events. If I were him I'd go sit on a quiet beach for a few weeks.
 
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I'm amazed how many of you need guidance from the courts in how to think critically. No wonder you all consume so many talk shows on YouTube.
 
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