If only Brand understood the womans’s as well as you.
Russell Brand.
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If only Brand understood the womans’s as well as you.
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not at all... not in my case anyway. I just dont believe a person should lose their jobs and be put to the coals by the public over nothing other than accusations from often decades ago.
IF he is proven to be guilty of sexual assault &/or rape then bang him up..... but (despite legitimate reasons and i do sympathise with the alleged victims) the fact they didnt come forward at the time and are only coming out now years later, it does make their case harder to prove.
The person who did go to the police back in the day may be key to it all............ but this should not be all over the news yet imo
my view is he isnt, or at least wasnt a nice bloke......... and by his own admission he had a pretty out their life style.
but when i read claims like a woman felt really uncomfortable whilst having a 3some and thinking he was a creep - but going through with it anyway, and keeping in touch, AND going back around to his house again anyway....... well all those kind of things do is muddy the water imo, that isnt really newsworthy at that point.
she couldnt have though he was that creepy or she would have left? and certainly not have gone back.
the woman who claims to have texted him and basically sounds like she is claiming he admitted to raping her and him apologising afterwards .... maybe that could be key.
if she still has those texts or if they can be retrieved still, then he would be bang to rights wouldnt he? but again that should be what comes to light in a trial.
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He didn't have a 'job'. He used a platform to make money. That platform has decided the balance of probability he is more of a deviant is greater than it has ever been, and the right thing to do, regardless of court decision, is to build distance.
Not every can have a platform prior to being found guilty of something.
It's like when SomethingAwful forum came up with endorsements for real life events. I think murder was a 7 day forum ban lol.
I dont belive they did go to the police, I may be wrong on that though - if it's the one thats talking about unprotected sex in the text message. If they did you'd have to wonder why nothing further ever happened.
He's still on the platforms to an extent. They (YouTube) are happy to make money from traffic going to his channel, but cutting him off from any proceeds. Nice distance building there. The charity, I can kind of understand. The BBC doing all this 'retconning' of shows is pathetic, who the hell is watching them anyway?!
This is the mantra these companies abide by:
"Always yell with the crowd, that's what I say. It's the only way to be safe."
They have to be seen to be doing something, or the become the target of the very vocal minority that inevitably apply insanely sharp amounts of pressure in cases like this in a post #metoo world.
It's an easy decision for them to make, there's no risk if they are later proven wrong. Which is why there should be some method of recompense through apology or reinstatement of revenue if later the allegations are to be found false or unfounded.
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Re Russell Brand and others accused of various sexual assaults. Why didn't the accusers come forward earlier? Perhaps looking at the stats tell us why. Never mind if that person holds a position of power going through the process of testing \ interviews \ court appearances you can see why this goes unpunished. https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/
I think a lot of people need to talk to rape victims before commenting on this topic.
I think a lot of people need to talk to rape victims before commenting on this topic.
How is this even relevant to what I said in my post?
Barrow men falsely accused of raping Eleanor Williams tell court they tried to kill themselves
Experiences told to sentencing hearing for woman convicted on nine counts of perverting course of justice
www.theguardian.com
We can both play that game though? There's a reason why due process exists.
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I do agree with a lot you've put there. I don't think it's vocal minority though. I don't know anyone with common sense who would argue Brand being distanced from by institutions is a bad idea. I agree with your point about how dare they keep the content up but demonetize him, I think that's an odd stance to take.He's still on the platforms to an extent. They (YouTube) are happy to make money from traffic going to his channel, but cutting him off from any proceeds. Nice distance building there. The charity, I can kind of understand. The BBC doing all this 'retconning' of shows is pathetic, who the hell is watching them anyway?!
This is the mantra these companies abide by:
"Always yell with the crowd, that's what I say. It's the only way to be safe."
They have to be seen to be doing something, or the become the target of the very vocal minority that inevitably apply insanely sharp amounts of pressure in cases like this in a post #metoo world.
It's an easy decision for them to make, there's no risk if they are later proven wrong. Which is why there should be some method of recompense through apology or reinstatement of revenue if later the allegations are to be found false or unfounded.
dlockers
Every single woman you've ever known or will know has been sexually assaulted in one form or another.How is this even relevant to what I said in my post?
Barrow men falsely accused of raping Eleanor Williams tell court they tried to kill themselves
Experiences told to sentencing hearing for woman convicted on nine counts of perverting course of justice
We can both play that game though? There's a reason why due process exists.
I think they view this as the best 'please everyone' scenario they can manage even if it's actually a bit hypocritical under the surface - it satisfies those calling for blood because some action has been taken but equally won't get the opposing group angry that he's been completely 'deplatformed' or anything.
Can you stop trying to tell me these things as if it's a revelation, I've spoken to women in depth about these things. It doesn't mean I stop believing in due process.
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You only believe the women you've spoken to if they've pursued the claim through the courts and a guilty verdict issued?
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As a separate point, we hear the usual nonsense about "allegations being trotted out to make a quick buck" with absolutely zero evidence (the irony) that any of the accusers have made money from this. If this was about money, surely you would have gone to the papers when Brand was actually famous? Is anyone actually able to substantiate this or is it just a cheap and lazy way to discredit people?
It's been mentioned a few times.
No matter the figures, conviction (or even charges) can only occur with evidence. If there's no evidence, you can't just carry on because the numbers look bad.
So there's two big factors I can see:
1. Unfortunately, some men rape. They always have, and likely always will. It would be nice if this were to stop happening and prevention would be a good thing to invest in. Bring up boys in with a healthy attitude towards sex and consent. Who knows if the recent drive towards this will help in the long run. Time will tell.
2. Victims need to know how important the evidence collection process is. They need to be supported heavily through it. Once the evidence is gone, you can't just conjure it back and then the chance for prosecution is slim to none. Then, once the evidence is gathered, offer them time to consider next steps, allow them to process it and let them decide at their pace. A victim focused process that doesn't force them to re-live the experience if they don't wish to, this is where I think the court process could be tweaked and made more 'safe' for victims giving evidence - don't ask me how the hell that can happen without prejudicing a fair hearing though
Problem is, even with good evidence, some don't want to go through the prosecution process for all sorts of reasons, so the statistics look rightly awful. It's such a personal, dehumanising crime and in many cases hard to prove. Then you start getting into the realms of aggravated, coercion, manipulation, playing with drugs/alcohol and all the other complexities that surround circumstances that need consideration.
Anecdotally, found this to be scarily true. I've known a few guys that have had other men do horrid things to them too.
It's possible to still believe them, even without a conviction - that's just being a decent, support human being. However, someone should not be punished without the allegations being tested in court.
I think these are very complex issues and you're often dealing with private interpersonal relationships, most of the time as you know rape isn't someone dragging a stranger into a bush. I believe the woman and how she feels - there's no reason to lie to me. At the same time it doesn't mean I'm going to go and hand out summary justice on the basis of what she tells me. My ex hit a guy over the head with a stone ornament though, so she did the handing out of justice on her own, though most women aren't her and probably need more understanding and support. I actually think some of this comes down to education, women need to know they can and should report crimes of this nature as soon as possible. Before you start with the "victim blaming" nonsense, I don't think teaching a man not to rape is very helpful because the type of person to do it simply wouldn't listen or care.
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He hasn't been punished by anyone other than a private entity removing their support for him. That isn't 'punishment' in the sense a government can intervene.
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No justice has been dealt. You're making things up based on your own outage. Do you not support private entities making their own decisions?
And neither would you be able to take your car back or complain or claim it happened, until of course the courts said he was guilty.
How is this even relevant to what I said in my post?
Barrow men falsely accused of raping Eleanor Williams tell court they tried to kill themselves
Experiences told to sentencing hearing for woman convicted on nine counts of perverting course of justice
We can both play that game though? There's a reason why due process exists.
Well it’s not, but in theory Brand could have avoided this situation. Brands attitude towards women and sex seems to be his issue. If only he understood women better.
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