Poll: Russian Grand Prix 2019, Sochi - Race 16/21

[CSMonkeh]

Indeed how did Vettel get DOTD? Ah well karma bit anyway.
You do wonder if this is an indication of how much Ferrari are pushing the engines, mind.
Would have thought they’d learnt their lesson by now....


Still onwards to Japan....

 

[rubberduck]

Nope incorrect, as leclerc clearly showed he didn't need a 5 second gap to keep his brakes cool just a little under 2 seconds go watch the replay.

Of course Leclerc wouldnt drop back 5 seconds from Bottas if he was going to try to overtake at some point LOL... I reckon 5 seconds is probably perfect for completely removing hot/dirt air from the car in front. Obviously going from 0.8 second behind to 2 seconds behind will probably be a bigger difference than 2 seconds to 4 seconds in terms of temperatures, and dirty air.

It is a whole different ball game dropping back a bit to cool and recharge like Leclerc did to setup another push for an overtake than it is to to maintaining the optimal distance to the car in front when you have no intention of trying an overtake.

 

[GravyMonster]

The big laugh was Sky awarding Vettel driver of the day before even half the race was finished, the type of people who vote for DOTD through Sky are usually those who just choose whichever driver Sky says

You do realise the DOTD vote is run by the FIA/FOM and is global. It has absolutely nothing to do with Sky. It's also announced with about 15 mins of the race left, not halfway through.

I think you're projecting some of your own bias here

 

[CaptainRAVE]

You do realise the DOTD vote is run by the FIA/FOM and is global. It has absolutely nothing to do with Sky. It's also announced with about 15 mins of the race left, not halfway through.

I think you're projecting some of your own bias here

I think he means that they were basically telling everyone to vote for Vettel. Oh, and the fact they thought ‘leclerc’ deserved the win for some reason. The sky commentary has gone more and more downhill. Crofty is as bad as ever - he makes so many mistakes and it seems to take the whole team ages to realise what’s unfolding in front of them. I wonder what I pay for sometimes - 4K, that’s it really.

 

[Entai]

Wish they could have more engines across the season so they could just race flat out all the time

The result was the same. They were still pushed to the limit, just over a shorter time frame and engines go pop. I just feel like everything is being managed a bit too much these days including tyres.

The whole point of having limited supplies of parts etc, and penalties for using excess parts, and the teams having to manage all sorts of areas, is to save costs.

By all means have unlimited parts, and have everyone drive flat out all the time, and not have to manage anything, it might possibly make things a little interesting between the two teams and four cars left on the grid as all other teams drop out of F1 due to extortionate costs.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

The whole point of having limited supplies of parts etc, and penalties for using excess parts, and the teams having to manage all sorts of areas, is to save costs.

By all means have unlimited parts, and have everyone drive flat out all the time, and not have to manage anything, it might possibly make things a little interesting between the two teams and four cars left on the grid as all other teams drop out of F1 due to extortionate costs.

And costs aren’t extortionate now?

 

[mmj_uk]

You do realise the DOTD vote is run by the FIA/FOM and is global. It has absolutely nothing to do with Sky. It's also announced with about 15 mins of the race left, not halfway through.

I think you're projecting some of your own bias here

A lot of the world will broadcast the unedited Sky feed just as happens in football, the DOTD winner is almost always the same as what the commentators say even when it's a ridiculous choice. They were talking about Vettel being DOTD today about half way through the race, of course they said it might change but this circuit is so dull and uneventful nothing hugely eventful happened. Hamilton drove off into the distance in clean air, Bottas kept position under pressure from a car that was hugely faster in clear air.

 

[drunkenmaster]

“Bring back the ******* V12s” - Vettel.

Indeed.

Ferrari and Vettel had so so many more failures prior to the hybrids than since. Vettel only had one year under Renault engines than switched to Ferrari and Ferrari have had a pretty rock solid engine. 95% of his issues since hybrids have been his own mistakes or team tactical errors, and even that is weighted way more heavily to his own mistakes.

During the RBR years he had failure after failure with NA engines, alternators, gearboxes, etc.

Just him trying to deflect. During the race when told to switch he offered zero surprise to it, first response was something like "okay, but maybe in a couple of laps". So he knew about the plan to give it up but the delayed it, then pushed hard to build a gap to have an excuse not to do it while Leclerc is being told he'll be let by every lap and he's not pushing hard because their goal isn't to push as hard as possible but go as far into the race as possible.

After the race Vettel is saying maybe there was a deal but he can't talk about it, implies there was help to get ahead of Hamilton but not about giving the place back even though on the radio we know he full well knew about that.

Vettel in full on deflection mode, didn't ignore team orders, didn't take advantage of Leclerc and oh yeah, lets make this about hybrid engines being bad.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Ferrari and Vettel had so so many more failures prior to the hybrids than since. Vettel only had one year under Renault engines than switched to Ferrari and Ferrari have had a pretty rock solid engine. 95% of his issues since hybrids have been his own mistakes or team tactical errors, and even that is weighted way more heavily to his own mistakes.

During the RBR years he had failure after failure with NA engines, alternators, gearboxes, etc.

Just him trying to deflect. During the race when told to switch he offered zero surprise to it, first response was something like "okay, but maybe in a couple of laps". So he knew about the plan to give it up but the delayed it, then pushed hard to build a gap to have an excuse not to do it while Leclerc is being told he'll be let by every lap and he's not pushing hard because their goal isn't to push as hard as possible but go as far into the race as possible.

After the race Vettel is saying maybe there was a deal but he can't talk about it, implies there was help to get ahead of Hamilton but not about giving the place back even though on the radio we know he full well knew about that.

Vettel in full on deflection mode, didn't ignore team orders, didn't take advantage of Leclerc and oh yeah, lets make this about hybrid engines being bad.

And yet he got driver of the day....

 

[CaptainRAVE]

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...schumacher-record.1JvjSI8O40rzywtV8vkcIW.html

He keeps racking up those stats.

 

[Kanpai]

Anything Vettel does half of you whinge regardless

 

[CaptainRAVE]

After the race Vettel is saying maybe there was a deal but he can't talk about it, implies there was help to get ahead of Hamilton but not about giving the place back even though on the radio we know he full well knew about that

Leclerc is trying to make out that he is innocent in all this. He forgets about monza when he was meant to give vettel a tow, but instead stormed off into the distance. Leclerc is starting to get a bit whiny for my liking - several times this year he has had a big upset over the radio.

Mercedes are laughing. They are clearly in full development of next years car. They have a clear number 1 & 2 driver. Meanwhile Ferrari seem determined to ‘win’ this part of the season and in the meantime their drivers grow further and further apart.

Ferrari also need to resolve their reliability. Leclercs constant demanding of ‘full power’. Meanwhile Mercedes just tell Hamilton no. It isn’t over yet, but it does seem to be another season where Mercedes very carefully manage the demand on the consumables and know exactly how long they can push the car.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Oh yeah I won't argue its some sort of master stroke but it was the only option they had against the faster Ferrari. If they started soft it would have just been a case of just matching the Ferrari strategy.

This. Toto said as much after the race. Start in the mediums, go long and have the pit crew do the Safety Car Dance.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Leclerc is trying to make out that he is innocent in all this. He forgets about monza when he was meant to give vettel a tow, but instead stormed off into the distance. Leclerc is starting to get a bit whiny for my liking - several times this year he has had a big upset over the radio.

Mercedes are laughing. They are clearly in full development of next years car. They have a clear number 1 & 2 driver. Meanwhile Ferrari seem determined to ‘win’ this part of the season and in the meantime their drivers grow further and further apart.

Ferrari also need to resolve their reliability. Leclercs constant demanding of ‘full power’. Meanwhile Mercedes just tell Hamilton no. It isn’t over yet, but it does seem to be another season where Mercedes very carefully manage the demand on the consumables and know exactly how long they can push the car.

Did the deal happen after Monza? Yes, then Monza has literally no relevance. AS for Monza, the entire final run in Monza was a complete cluster-**** for basically everyone. Vettel pushed by Sainz finally then sped up then slowed down basically too late. When Vettel started to slow Sainz started to go and pushed passed them all.

Again regardless Vettel agreed to this for this race and he got the benefit from Leclerc. He is innocent IN THIS, because he made a deal with Vettel and kept up his part of the bargain. What happened in Monza is irrelevant to that, but Monza was barely anything in the first place.

 

[413x]

Channel 4 were just as bad. Kept seeming (for some reason) to justify bottas' poor pace.

Maybe he's been told by the team to hold back. He's done really well to stave off the pressure etc.
If he was any good he wouldn't be there.

He's a lovely guy, but nico provided so much more for fans. Bottas isn't that good and seems properly beaten now. Maybe he has mentally accepted he's a paid driver only. No bad thing. It's a damn good salary !

 

[an0nym0us]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07pnh36
In the BBC's Chequered Flag podcast, Andrew Benson's methodology for choosing driver of the day seems absolutely ludicrous to me.

 

[an0nym0us]

129 points left I think.

Should be 130 maximum available points remaining I think.

25 points for race win + 1 point for fastest lap = max 26 points per race
5 races remaining
26 x 5 = 130

 

[KiNgPiN83]

Should be 130 maximum available points remaining I think.

25 points for race win + 1 point for fastest lap = max 26 points per race
5 races remaining
26 x 5 = 130

The caveat for fastest lap point is that if the fastest lap goes to a car outside the top 10, no one gets the point. (Not sure if that’s happened so far though?! Just something I heard them mention during the race.)

 

[holdin09]

My god Twitter was fun after the race yesterday. Full of Ferrari fans saying the pit lane should be shut when VSC and full safety car is out lol, so salty.

Was an ok race vettel making a fool out of himself again, I think could be the tipping point for Ferrari with him. Still don’t understand why they pitted leclerc again from second, even if they couldn’t get the win surely with their straight line speed would have kept ahead of bottas.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

My god Twitter was fun after the race yesterday. Full of Ferrari fans saying the pit lane should be shut when VSC and full safety car is out lol, so salty.

Of course when ferrari benefit, like in Australia last year, their silence is deafening.