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RX VEGA AIB Cards Information Needed?

I too would never again buy a reference cooled card. I had a reference 290 which was horrible.

My recent GPU history has been a 5770, 7950, 290 and a 290X. I always bought AMD cards due to them being the best bang per buck usually. I am looking to buy a new card around the £500 mark but there is no way that I will spend that sort of money on a reference cooled Vega. I am even willing to give up Freesync on my £450 MG279Q monitor rather than paying that much money on a crappy, hot and loud card.

I will probably be buying either a 1070, 1070ti or 1080 depending on price after the 1070ti release. First time going Nvidia in years. I bet there are many others in my boat.

AMD really messed this up.
 
arby1 said:
I don't agree. That is catering to the extreme end and adding a significant price premium to boot. Maybe I'm being too fussy, but I wouldn't ever buy a reference water-cooled version either. I just want a simple air-cooled version that works quietly and efficiently. I understand that this would be stepping on the toes of their AIB partners, but that's my point, they needed to figure out sooner that their partners weren't making one anyway so then they could step in and offer their own.
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No it's an illusion of catering to the extreme because of the price, when really it's just a massive expensive inefficient Fiji V2 that has the same dire clock-power draw characteristics, which can just about keep up with a considerably smaller and cheaper to produce mid range Laptop chip Gp104. Aib partners won't touch it Vega isn't worth the time and effort, vega is late and shortlived far too risky for aibs to spend 4-6 months to develop when Nvidia Volta is nearing. The aio Cooler is the only way Amd can differentiate the last remaining performance from that and air. If they made an air cooler the expense to design and manufacture a typical 3 fan heatsink etc it would 1 be expensive to manufacture, and secondly they wouldn't be able to squeeze out the performance that is left in the tank. What Amd need to do is rework the design onto new silicon or redesign transistor layout for less leakage and greater clockscaling, either to reduce consumption and leakage or to offer Vega at 1700mhz as a minimum at say 1.10v.

At the moment they are 200mhz short of their potential 100% over on their power consumption.

edit what you are saying for an in house Heatsink and fan shroud is what I have been arguing for years, considering they could use Sapphire to develop the items and then work in accordance with sapphire.
 
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Davedree said:
No it's an illusion of catering to the extreme because of the price
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The price of the AIO clearly doesn't help, but water-cooling and fitting an additional radiator always pushes things towards the extreme end, even if it's a self-contained solution. Unfortunately it all just comes down to you can't polish a turd. I don't blame the AIBs. Vega itself isn't terrible, but there wasn't much left on the table for the partners, either in performance or in profit margin. As long as there's one of those two then they'll be interested.
 
Wild theory but maybe AIB know more then they can say. They wait for 2nd generation Vegas to appear which have greater refinement. You cant tell me nobody will bring out the Nano Vega because that just too neat to not exist when its very doable with the HBM2. I think if there is delay more then Vega itself was delayed its because they want to build on some kind of second revision pcb. Companies dont like to have short run production because it doesnt cover development and we know for sure there are other kinds of Vega coming.
AMD itself sold this design to a dozen different sectors and is certain they'll sell anything they make, Apple no doubt can demand first take of chip production over lower end consumers. Maybe pc is stacked in a queue behind the release of that Apple pro blingbook whatever its called
 
arby1 said:
The price of the AIO clearly doesn't help, but water-cooling and fitting an additional radiator always pushes things towards the extreme end, even if it's a self-contained solution. Unfortunately it all just comes down to you can't polish a turd. I don't blame the AIBs. Vega itself isn't terrible, but there wasn't much left on the table for the partners, either in performance or in profit margin. As long as there's one of those two then they'll be interested.
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Totally agree, and I favour air cooling too.
Vega reference is ok when undervolted and dialled in, if you keep below 2900rpm it's not a bad package. As the Asus strix v64 showed out the box performance was identical, but yet the strix would be stupid money, as Asus normally are :)
 
What a train wreck Vega has turned out to be. I had planned to get an custom Vega and a new 1440p 144Hz Freesync monitor to make the most of it but it seems likely that i'll be jumping ship to Nvidia and have to splash out on a Gsync monitor which I really didn't want to do.. Sigh, thanks for that AMD.
 
AMD really have executed Vega poorly, its such a shame as its a good chip and can be power efficient and fast as well as bringing new tech to the market.

But ohh no, Amd couldn't resist messing it up after have such a good set of releases with Ryzen...

By the time there are AIB cards out the vega refresh will be here.
 
sideways14a said:
AMD really have executed Vega poorly, its such a shame as its a good chip and can be power efficient and fast as well as bringing new tech to the market.

But ohh no, Amd couldn't resist messing it up after have such a good set of releases with Ryzen...

By the time there are AIB cards out the vega refresh will be here.
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I reckon AMD have done themselves some serious damage with Vega.

Many fans of AMD (such as myself) are looking to move to Nvidia for an upgrade from their R9 290, 480 cards because all AMD have to offer are overpriced, power hungry cards with rubbish blower coolers. They are looking at the complete lack of AIB Vega cards and probably thinking, do I really want to remain tied into this ecosystem where the parent company takes forever to deliver a subpar product which is also more expensive than their main competitor? Many will come to the realisation that at this point in time, Nvidia is the most sensible and even most cost effective(!) upgrade. That leads to many also buying G-Sync screens to complement their new Nvidia card, which locks them into Nvidia's ecosystem and I highly doubt they will go back to AMD for many years if ever at that point.

AMD should have took the hit and made a loss on these cards in order to price them right so that they at least maintain market and mind share. They should have also ensured there were AIB cards ready too.

I am on the verge of buying Nvidia. I am waiting on the 1070ti to release before I buy either a 1070, 1070ti or 1080 depending on price. AMD is not even on my radar anymore even though I have an expensive Freesync screen.
 
Well i wont ever be buying Nvidia again, i had a lot of trouble away back when they had bumpgate and other chipset issues
Cost me a lot of time and effort that did.

Still doesnt let AMD off the hook, they do need to try harder to execute products correctly. They nailed it with threadripper and to some extent Ryzen but vega was a massive cockup - and yet it didnt need to be.
 
FreeSync being cheaper than G-Sync, doesn't come into it, as you could probably buy a Nvidia card with a G-Sync screen, for around the same price as a Vega and a FreeSync.

EDIT:

Just priced up, Vega 64 (AIO) + FreeSync screen, Custom OC'd 1080 + G-Sync screen.


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ss-liquid-cooled-graphics-card-gx-18t-pc.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...idescreen-led-monitor-black-re-mo-078-ac.html

Reference Vega 64 AIO + 1440p, 144Hz FreeSync screen = £1,109



https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...raphics-card-gv-n1080wf3oc-8gd-gx-18t-gi.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...descreen-led-zeroframe-monitor-mo-11a-ac.html

Custom overclocked 1080 + 1440p, 165Hz G-Sync screen = £1,030.

Nvidia + G-Sync, actually £79 cheaper!
 
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Teeny bit skewed though. You have gone for the cheapest 1080 vs the most expensive Vega 64 :P

However I do agree with the overall point. If you are getting these kind of cards and or screens you are probably spending between 1500 and a 2000 on a full set up. A couple hundred quid either way is like 10%. It becomes a moot point generally.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
FreeSync being cheaper than G-Sync, doesn't come into it, as you could probably buy a Nvidia card with a G-Sync screen, for around the same price as a Vega and a FreeSync.

EDIT:

Just priced up, Vega 64 (AIO) + FreeSync screen, Custom OC'd 1080 + G-Sync screen.


https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ss-liquid-cooled-graphics-card-gx-18t-pc.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...idescreen-led-monitor-black-re-mo-078-ac.html

Reference Vega 64 AIO + 1440p, 144Hz FreeSync screen = £1,109



https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...raphics-card-gv-n1080wf3oc-8gd-gx-18t-gi.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...descreen-led-zeroframe-monitor-mo-11a-ac.html

Custom overclocked 1080 + 1440p, 165Hz G-Sync screen = £1,030.

Nvidia + G-Sync, actually £79 cheaper!
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And as the monitor lasts for multiple generations of GPUs, who would you trust more in the next few years to not screw it up? Really hope that Navi is fine otherwise AMD will be pretty much finished in the PC gaming GPU sphere.
 
That 60MHz overclock on the 1080 will make no difference to the founders edition and I'm not sure that it is news that AIO versions of cards tend to be poor value, indeed the AIO 1070 cost the same as the 1080 listed. I wonder if it justified the extra cost in pure performance terms...
 
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