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Ryzen "2" ?

Steveocee said:
There is so much conversation (or has been) over whether the "new" Ryzen will beat Intel and so on, well. FWIW I don't care! I have a 1700X and I want to know how much better a 2700X will be so I can start justifying it to myself to reduce the buyers remorse.
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Will it beat Intel, that depends, the 1800X is already a faster CPU than the 8700K, for out right performance when both running at their best to complete a task the 1800X even the 1700X are out right faster.
But Intel still has a clock speed advantage so where Ryzen 16 vs Intel's 12 threads are not the concern? probably not, it will not beat Intel in games, unless its a bit of a fix, like 2600 vs Core i3, actually i think they are about the same price? :D

What i think it will do is get close enough to make more people with no brand loyalties think harder, that would be a success for AMD because the more kudos they get from more people the more competitive they will become in the future, because of what AMD can do with some money in their pockets, that's what Intel always have been and still are worried about.
 
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String said:
To be honest, I'm not too fussed whether it beats Intel. As long as it's ballpark I'll jump into this second serving of Ryzen. I just want to try AMD out and if I'm losing a few FPS I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.

Just as long as there's no memory issues etc.. because I've got plenty RAM already and I don't want to be buying any more to match it.
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The memory issues are only when you start pumping the Mhz's up, if you drop in 2666 then it'd run fine (albeit lower performance than same chip on 3200Mhz). So much base level stuff gets missed when the arguments get going about willy waving synthetic benchmarking.
 
humbug said:
Will it beat Intel, that depends, the 1800X is already a faster CPU than the 8700K, for out right performance when both running at their best to complete a task the 1800X even the 1700X are out right faster.
But Intel still has a clock speed advantage so where Ryzen 16 vs Intel's 12 threads are not the concern? probably not, it will not beat Intel in games, unless its a bit of a fix, like 2600 vs Core i3, actually i think they are about the same price? :D

What i think it will do is get close enough to make more people with no brand loyalties think harder, that would be a success for AMD because the more kudos they get from more people the more competitive they will become in the future, because of what AMD can do with some money in their pockets, that's what Intel always have been and still are worried about.
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As much as I'd love to order a chip on April 19th that will drop into my board and beat an 8700K in everything, I'm realistic enough to know it won't happen. Does it pain me I won't have as much ST performance as the i7, Yes.
Am I happy with what I have, Yes. It does everything I ask it to but I would like more if it is available.

Would I be extremely happy to get a 2700X and wind it up to 4Ghz across all cores? Absolutely.
 
humbug said:
people talking about 5Ghz Intel, especially when it comes to anything near that on Skylake-X to me just reads like a dishonest advert.

It would be idiotic to explain you need to take the Heat Spreader off and replace the TIM to achieve those numbers, which incidentally voids the warranty, and that they use a vast amount power and run extremely hot under overclocks like that requiring very expensive cooling.

But to just drop it into conversions, a lot, as if its a given that "Intel CPU's are 5Ghz CPU's" its not a given and even if you do manage it on your now delidid warrenty-less CPU realistically you're not going to be running it at that speed 24/7 anyway, because of the noise, the heat, the power consumption.
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I've had to disable Turbo Mode on my CPU just to keep temps within a range I'm happy with.
 
Has there been any confirmation on the difference between X370 and x470, as I need a new mobo, but over a week longer without a computer isn't good lol.
If they are much better I'll suffer it out
 
los said:
Has there been any confirmation on the difference between X370 and x470, as I need a new mobo, but over a week longer without a computer isn't good lol.
If they are much better I'll suffer it out
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No confirmation, other than AMD saying 400 series motherboards will be more optimized for Ryzen 2###, whatever that means.

8 days till launch.
 
los said:
Has there been any confirmation on the difference between X370 and x470, as I need a new mobo, but over a week longer without a computer isn't good lol.
If they are much better I'll suffer it out
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Maybe grab a super cheap A320 AM4 board now - will let you pick the best x470 - which will take a couple of weeks to figure out.

You can get them for about £40 new so there must be some b-grade stuff out there for less than that :)
 
Another reflection:
With windows 10, when I apply "maximum performance" in savings windows ,it does not work
The CPU oscillates 2200,hz +/- but does not perform maximum frequency
Con windows7 works ,the frequency ranges between 4100 and 4350mhz
 
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