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Ryzen "2" ?

4K8KW10 said:
AMD: Ryzen Development Was a ‘Worst-Case Scenario’
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...pment-worst-case-scenario-looks-ahead-ryzen-2

AMD says Ryzen was "worst case scenario," is looking ahead to Ryzen 2
http://www.pcgamer.com/amd-says-ryzen-was-worst-case-scenario-is-looking-ahead-to-ryzen-2/

How is it possible to fake this video? :D
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I think people are taking that 'worst-case scenario' quote the wrong way. I think what he actually means is that it could have been worse, but in the end they managed up to 4.0ghz clock speeds.

"I’ve said this before and I think it holds true. Zen, Ryzen, was the worst case scenario. It was a brand new architecture on a brand new node. So the worst case scenario we could’ve possibly had, and it’s pretty good. You can get to over 4.GHz [referring to the CPU’s maximum clock speed]."
 
Jono8 said:
I think people are taking that 'worst-case scenario' quote the wrong way. I think what he actually means is that it could have been worse, but in the end they managed up to 4.0ghz clock speeds.

"I’ve said this before and I think it holds true. Zen, Ryzen, was the worst case scenario. It was a brand new architecture on a brand new node. So the worst case scenario we could’ve possibly had, and it’s pretty good. You can get to over 4.GHz [referring to the CPU’s maximum clock speed]."
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Opinions :D.
Mine is that he means it was the worse case scenario of bringing a brand new architecture on a brand new node, it's as simple as that IMO. And it turns out it's pretty good when so much could have been wrong.
 
DarrenM343 said:
Opinions :D.
Mine is that he means it was the worse case scenario of bringing a brand new architecture on a brand new node, it's as simple as that IMO. And it turns out it's pretty good when so much could have been wrong.
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Yes that is what i think also. However, I think some are reading it as though what they actually got was the worst case scenario (ie so thinking that then next lot of Ryzen stuff will be a massive leap in performance)

I really hope we do get a massive massive leap though! CPU's have been stagnant for years really. We need a good single core ipc breakthrough.
 
Jono8 said:
Yes that is what i think also. However, I think some are reading it as though what they actually got was the worst case scenario (ie so thinking that then next lot of Ryzen stuff will be a massive leap in performance)

I really hope we do get a massive massive leap though! CPU's have been stagnant for years really. We need a good single core ipc breakthrough.
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Not sure that leap is going to happen. Regarding IPS, the General belief is that software will use more cores. Now we have > 4 cores hitting both the mid and high end mainsteam, hopefully we start seeing core utilisation improve further.
Yep, its funny how people interpret things. Of course we could be wrong and it really means AMD were conservative in their release of Ryzen and they'll push the boundaries with + or version 2 for a big leap :p
 
TBH,if AMD managed to get near to 5GHZ on a new node it would be an achievement let alone a modified verison of an old one.

If they can another 10% extra clockspeed at stock and some slight IPC improvements that would still be a reasonable midlife update.
 
When they talked about Zen and iterations they mentioned already there was a lot of low hanging fruit they can pick off to improve the current Zen product, i would imagine if they do that, and if they do infact shrink it or change the format from its current design, you could easily see some improvements. I'd be happy with 4.5ghz all core OC with the current chips, no need for the magical 5GHZ just yet, 4.5GHZ would see some sterling improvements in IPC over the current chips no?
 
Well if they could increase the inter-CCX bandwidth by a reasonable amount and improve IPC a bit more,I would say even if clockspeeds would not go up a lot over the current Ryzen version,that would be preferable,especially since they would be using a tried and tested process node. Part of the issue is if applications don't recognise the dual CCX design it can cause performance issues,so increasing the bandwidth would help improve consistency in applications which have not had updates.

Its better they do that,and then look for the larger clockspeed increases once they move to 7NM,instead of doing both at the same time which would be riskier.
 
SiDeards73 said:
When they talked about Zen and iterations they mentioned already there was a lot of low hanging fruit they can pick off to improve the current Zen product, i would imagine if they do that, and if they do infact shrink it or change the format from its current design, you could easily see some improvements. I'd be happy with 4.5ghz all core OC with the current chips, no need for the magical 5GHZ just yet, 4.5GHZ would see some sterling improvements in IPC over the current chips no?
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4.5Ghz 8c 16t Ryzen at the same TDP is going to be a monster by itself. If AMD do have easy some performance to gain that's worked into a respin then I think AM4 will be very strong. Maybe even a rival to X299 in a lot of situations.
 
gavinh87 said:
AMD would be screaming from the rooftops if this was true.

We can hope though!
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Not necessarily, but you could almost interpret AMD saying that Ryzen was a 'worst case scenario' as their is plenty more to come.

I'm not going to get pulled into any hype train created by overexcited potential consumers. I hope Ryzen+ is very good, I will buy one if it's worth it, but I do expect the bigger increase to come with Ryzen 2.
 
Doobedoo said:
Not necessarily, but you could almost interpret AMD saying that Ryzen was a 'worst case scenario' as their is plenty more to come.

I'm not going to get pulled into any hype train created by overexcited potential consumers. I hope Ryzen+ is very good, I will buy one if it's worth it, but I do expect the bigger increase to come with Ryzen 2.
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With AMD's marketing team? Remember the #poorvolta and all the hype that comes with AMD products?
Also this seems to be the only source of this, truck load of salt needed.
 
gavinh87 said:
With AMD's marketing team? Remember the #poorvolta and all the hype that comes with AMD products?
Also this seems to be the only source of this, truck load of salt needed.
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Poor Volta was a misinterpretation created by over excited potential consumers. Hype is created by overexcited potential consumers, people not all that dissimilar to you.

Now as far as Ryzen goes they were more on the conservative side when they said it was a 40% increase over excavator. Salt is exactly how I am taking it but that has nothing to do with Amd, I'm just old enough and wise enough to know how these things work.
 
Doobedoo said:
Poor Volta was a misinterpretation created by over excited potential consumers. Hype is created by overexcited potential consumers, people not all that dissimilar to you.

Now as far as Ryzen goes they were more on the conservative side when they said it was a 40% increase over excavator. Salt is exactly how I am taking it but that has nothing to do with Amd, I'm just old enough and wise enough to know how these things work.
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Explain how I have hyped up anything without seeing results?
We all know this is fud, the ones that think its real will be disappointed.

Also, I think it was AMD themselves that made that poor volta poster.
 
gavinh87 said:
Explain how I have hyped up anything without seeing results?
We all know this is fud, the ones that think its real will be disappointed.

Also, I think it was AMD themselves that made that poor volta poster.
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You brought ryzen and a few months down the line realised it wasn't much better than what you already had, I saw you also take the word of a newly joined forum member and get all giddy about his 5+ghz coffee lake claims albeit it was true but you gave his opinion as one of the reasons you were all giddy. Anyway it wasn't a personal attack just merely pointing out that we have all gone a bit weak at the knees on occasion and with this one I would exercise caution.

The poor volta thing was wordplay on poor voltage with the G and E not being visible. Was it intentional? Who knows, but ultimately it was people like you see on this forum putting 2+2 together and coming up with 7. If it was intentional then Amd wouldn't the first company to do that, but luckily for us that is the graphics part of Amd and not the cpu side.

Their is no need to get hyped up anymore than their is a need to be all pessimistic. 3 or 4 months ago you would have maybe posted the video yourself perhaps :).
 
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