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Ryzen "2" ?

If DDR4 halves in price (it's doubled in the last year or so), you'd be able to get an overclockable R5 1600 build for like £350. Ridiculously tempting, even for someone like me that rarely upgrades. :D
To be honest it's possibly the biggest reason why I haven't put an order in. I just refuse to pay silly prices for something that was half the cost a year ago. Funny how Sumsung, Hynix ect have earned record profits in the meantime. Shortage my backpassage.
 
To be honest it's possibly the biggest reason why I haven't put an order in. I just refuse to pay silly prices for something that was half the cost a year ago. Funny how Sumsung, Hynix ect have earned record profits in the meantime. Shortage my backpassage.

Shortage is because of high demand. Of course they will make money out of that.

High demand = High profits (because you can charge more.
 
Shortage is because of high demand. Of course they will make money out of that.

High demand = High profits (because you can charge more.
Coffeelake is a shortage you can't buy one anywhere and looks like it'll be that way until the end of the year.

You can buy ram quite easily and always have been able too, it's just that the price has doubled. That's not a shortage that's just profiteering.
 
Coffeelake is a shortage you can't buy one anywhere and looks like it'll be that way until the end of the year.

You can buy ram quite easily and always have been able too, it's just that the price has doubled. That's not a shortage that's just profiteering.

Its high because Corsair, G.Skill etc. are having to pay more to get DRAM because there is more demand than supply for DRAM. Don't understand why you don't see how it works.
 
It may well be labelled as 2000 not that I’ve seen that yet, but if you look at their roadmap zen 2 has always been 7nm as in it’s the second generation Ryzen chips, not the Zen + refresh.

The new Ryzen-Vega based APUs are labelled as 2000 series. Can't expect anything different with the new Ryzen refresh CPUs, too.
 
Its high because Corsair, G.Skill etc. are having to pay more to get DRAM because there is more demand than supply for DRAM. Don't understand why you don't see how it works.

This is true, the mobile sector are now using Dram, hence more demand on supply, hence prices rise because they can... simple economics.
 
Its high because Corsair, G.Skill etc. are having to pay more to get DRAM because there is more demand than supply for DRAM. Don't understand why you don't see how it works.
What I don’t understand is that with coffee lake their is quite literally more demand than supply, hence why you will struggle to buy one, yet Intel have not doubled their prices to make hay while the sunshine’s. With ram I have no doubt that demand is higher but you can still buy ram, you can still buy smart phones and ssd’s. The product are on the shelf waiting to be bought. Now all of a sudden we hear the Chinese getting in on the action and now these big suppliers decide they want to build more fabs to limit the risk of the Chinese gaining market traction.

I’ll wait no way will I be tucked up at double the price.
 
The new Ryzen-Vega based APUs are labelled as 2000 series. Can't expect anything different with the new Ryzen refresh CPUs, too.
Maybe never the less I think it’s better to limit the confusion and refer to the newer cpu’s being released as Zen + and the one later next year as the 7nm Zen 2. At least that’s my understanding of it.
 
What I don’t understand is that with coffee lake their is quite literally more demand than supply, hence why you will struggle to buy one, yet Intel have not doubled their prices to make hay while the sunshine’s. With ram I have no doubt that demand is higher but you can still buy ram, you can still buy smart phones and ssd’s. The product are on the shelf waiting to be bought. Now all of a sudden we hear the Chinese getting in on the action and now these big suppliers decide they want to build more fabs to limit the risk of the Chinese gaining market traction.

I’ll wait no way will I be tucked up at double the price.
It's like fuel. Supply and demand affects the price but we never exactly run out.
Memory is a commodity. Everything uses it. Supply and demand will affect prices. If prices get too high then more companies will get involved which will in theory at least help bring prices down.
Some memory is in short supply. I see a lot of the high-end stuff often "pre-order" or out of stock.
 
It's like fuel. Supply and demand affects the price but we never exactly run out.
Memory is a commodity. Everything uses it. Supply and demand will affect prices. If prices get too high then more companies will get involved which will in theory at least help bring prices down.
Some memory is in short supply. I see a lot of the high-end stuff often "pre-order" or out of stock.
With fuel it’s priced on production and can be easily artificially controlled to affect prices, you often see the price of a barrel reduce yet the price at the pump stay largely the same, you see the price of a barrel increase and almost immediately the price at the pump rises.

I get economics I just don’t agree with it and ultimately won’t pay the over inflated prices.
 
Memory has no MSRP and will fluctuate.

Intel set the MSRP for processors because they control the entire supply chain pretty much and have massive gross profits on every chip so can take the supply shocks.

DDR4 manufacturers not so much.
 
Intel set the MSRP for processors because they control the entire supply chain pretty much and have massive gross profits on every chip so can take the supply shocks.

The problem with Intel is that there are customers who buy their inflated silicon chips. If you stop byuing their chips, they will immediately bring the prices down.
AMD has no such problems.
 
Memory has no MSRP and will fluctuate.

Intel set the MSRP for processors because they control the entire supply chain pretty much and have massive gross profits on every chip so can take the supply shocks.

DDR4 manufacturers not so much.
So potentially their could be a “shortage of supply” in-defiantly, and when DDR 5 comes around presumably everything will also start to use that too, so these high prices could potentially be permanent and everyone will by then be used to paying it.

Hopefully this isn’t the case.
 
China has entered the Memory market, the goverment will step in and make sure the fabs succeed, its how China works, this means a) they will flood the market with Chinese Ram and b) Chinese customers will buy local, this will do the same thing, more sellers in the market means prices will lower, chinese customers buying from chinese companies means all the other manufacturers wont be able to rely on that income for business, and as such will need to source it elsewhere, they will do this by reducing prices, or end up sitting on large stocks of unsold product.
 
The Chinese coming to our rescue :). Makes you wonder how the Chinese are able to put themselves into a market and produce memory quicker, than these already well establish memory giants are able to increase supply.
 
It may well be labelled as 2000 not that I’ve seen that yet, but if you look at their roadmap zen 2 has always been 7nm as in it’s the second generation Ryzen chips, not the Zen + refresh.
Raven Ridge is already using the 2xxx naming, so the Zen+ successor to the R7 1700 will surely be the R7 2700 rather than the R7 1750 or whatever.
 
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