Ryzen "2" ?

SiDeards73 · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:24

opethdisciple said:
I would be right cheesed off if I bought the 2700x to find that my 8 Pack ram still won't run at 3200MHz with my existing x370 board.

I thought it did with the cpu at stock but it doesn't.

Frooze on me after about 20-30 mins gaming last night.

I've only had it for a week and been using the pc for the last year so it's the new ram.

Faulty? I don't think so. I just think the cpu can't handle it at 3200MHz.

I reckon you have moody ram, i bought a CH6, a Taichi, R7 1700 and 3400mhz CH16 Ripjaws, so far ive been able to run them at 3200mhz on both the Taichi and the CH6, i have since sold the Taichi, and im still on an old Asus Bios, i bet if i put the new BIOS in i could probably get them to run at 3400mhz or atleast 3333mhz, or just tighten up the timings at 3200mhz.

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:26

What's the all core boost of the 1700?

3.2GHz?

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:28

SiDeards73 said:
I reckon you have moody ram, i bought a CH6, a Taichi, R7 1700 and 3400mhz CH16 Ripjaws, so far ive been able to run them at 3200mhz on both the Taichi and the CH6, i have since sold the Taichi, and im still on an old Asus Bios, i bet if i put the new BIOS in i could probably get them to run at 3400mhz or atleast 3333mhz, or just tighten up the timings at 3200mhz.

Well IF I bought a 2700x and at stock cpu with the DOCP applied I still have the same issues then I have faulty ram.

Luckily the 8 Pack ram has a life time warranty (?), (that what it says on product description) so I should be able to return.

DragonQ · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:30

opethdisciple said:
What's the all core boost of the 1700?

3.2GHz?

Yeah 3.4 GHz for 1-2 cores I think.

NinjaCool · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:31

opethdisciple said:
What's the all core boost of the 1700?
3.2GHz?

Yes it's 3.2GHz all core boost, 3.7GHz 2 core boost and 3.75GHz XFR single core boost.

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:35

NinjaCool said:
Yes it's 3.2GHz all core boost, 3.7GHz 2 core boost and 3.75GHz XFR single core boost.

Running the CPU at 3.8Ghz and it can run Origins smoothly.

Running it at stock and it's not a nice gaming experience.

Also feel the slow down a lot in BF1.

I'm just asking as I'm hoping the 2700x would be a big enough boost over the 1700. Or at least match it's oc performance at stock settings.

That would be nice.

HeX · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:38

opethdisciple said:
Well IF I bought a 2700x and at stock cpu with the DOCP applied I still have the same issues then I have faulty ram.

Luckily the 8 Pack ram has a life time warranty (?), (that what it says on product description) so I should be able to return.

You need to fault find your current setup rather than just throwing money at it. If it turns out you've just got a dodgy memory stick then you've just blown £300 on a new CPU for no reason.

NinjaCool · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:43

opethdisciple said:
Running the CPU at 3.8Ghz and it can run Origins smoothly.
Running it at stock and it's not a nice gaming experience.
Also feel the slow down a lot in BF1.
I'm just asking as I'm hoping the 2700x would be a big enough boost over the 1700. Or at least match it's oc performance at stock settings.
That would be nice.

I hope it will be a good enough boost too but we will know much more in a few hours

Mickcas · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:44

I must admit after a year of ryzen with my 1700 I'm considering an upgrade, even tempted to drop cores and get the 2600. I've no real need for 8 cores I only game on my system. If the 2600 gives better gaming results the cost won't be much after selling my 1700

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:45

HeX said:
You need to fault find your current setup rather than just throwing money at it. If it turns out you've just got a dodgy memory stick then you've just blown £300 on a new CPU for no reason.

I'll return the memory under warranty if it's exhibiting the same issue with the 2700x.

Smoogels · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:48

I'm really conflicted as to what motherboard to get.

Do I splurge for a high end X470 like the Crosshair or gaming 7? Or do I save money by grabbing a board such as the Gigabyte X470 Gaming 5?

Main concern would be the VRMs. I know they don't usually limit overclocks on Ryzen 1st gen but still not sure. I don't plan to push it to it's limits but don't want the board failing after just few years. Planning to get a 2700X.

Do reviewers usually get mid range boards to review initially or do they trickle down later?

Bazzards · 19 Apr 2018 at 10:55

@ Opethdisciple, Personally I would just return the memory and test the new memory received with your current setup.

Potty27 · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:01

opethdisciple said:
Well IF I bought a 2700x and at stock cpu with the DOCP applied I still have the same issues then I have faulty ram.

Luckily the 8 Pack ram has a life time warranty (?), (that what it says on product description) so I should be able to return.

In the 8 Pack ram description ocuk say "guaranteed memory clocks", so I assume if they will not hit the speeds they are rated for, you should be entitled for a hassle-free refund or replacement?

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:03

Potty27 said:
In the 8 Pack ram description ocuk say "guaranteed memory clocks", so I assume if they will not hit the speeds they are rated for, you should be entitled for a hassle-free refund or replacement?

But what if it's the IMC on my chip not the ram?

Potty27 · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:13

opethdisciple said:
But what if it's the IMC on my chip not the ram?

Well they should be able to advise things you can try prior to returning them, but if it still wont run, assuming you meet their CPU and mobo Compatibility lists, then I don't see why it should be an issue, as you cannot obtain the "guaranteed memory clocks".

If it were me I would be on the phone and ask if their is anything they want me to try to get it working, should that fail I would be looking to replace them.

SiDeards73 · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:14

opethdisciple said:
But what if it's the IMC on my chip not the ram?

If i was in your shoes, its a tough one to call, id probably get the 2700X and test, if it run fine, i'd sell the 1700, if the rams still iffy id send it back, then you have the dilemma, keep the 1700 and send the 2700x back, or keep both, or keep the 2700x and sell the 1700.

prjwebb · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:18

opethdisciple said:
But what if it's the IMC on my chip not the ram?

Me and Gavin bought this up with 8 Pack when the RAM was released. The speeds just can't be guaranteed on Ryzen as some of the chips just have really bad IMC and aren't capable of doing it.

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:20

Yea, it seems I've bought elite ram for a non elite CPU.

Freddie1980 · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:21

Smoogels said:
I'm really conflicted as to what motherboard to get.

Do I splurge for a high end X470 like the Crosshair or gaming 7? Or do I save money by grabbing a board such as the Gigabyte X470 Gaming 5?

Main concern would be the VRMs. I know they don't usually limit overclocks on Ryzen 1st gen but still not sure. I don't plan to push it to it's limits but don't want the board failing after just few years. Planning to get a 2700X.

Do reviewers usually get mid range boards to review initially or do they trickle down later?

8pack is probably in the middle of doing a whole bunch of testing, I would wait until he posts his findings and see what motherboards provide the best memory compatibility and best overclocks.

opethdisciple · 19 Apr 2018 at 11:24

prjwebb said:
Me and Gavin bought this up with 8 Pack when the RAM was released. The speeds just can't be guaranteed on Ryzen as some of the chips just have really bad IMC and aren't capable of doing it.

Well my CPU cant do more than 3.8GHz at high voltage 1.35-1.36v. So no doubt the IMC is poor too.