Ryzen "2" ?

IT Troll · 15 May 2018 at 11:31

Beren said:
but there was no comparison to either a standard SSD or an M.2 drive to show if a gap still remained to using an SSD array or seperate SSD's as needed.
He also anecdotally noted that the SSD Vs HDD usage once a game had optimized using StoreMI but he made no attempt to throw a decent number of games on the drive to stretch what would start to happen when you got closer to capacity.

He did move a game (Ashes I think) onto a straight SSD to compare load time; it was very similar to StoreMI. It would be interesting to know what happens when the cache is full. But this would take some work with a 256GB drive, probably easier to test with a smaller drive. The reviews also gloss over the fact that this isn't going to do anything for write performance, so no real benefit for those creating/editing large files.

I think I have seen three reviews, including adoredtv's, where the reviewer lost their whole system drive. Not sure if this was just user error or down to some fragility. I certainly wouldn't use this for a boot/system drive. As such I think the only use case is as a load cache to a huge games library.

orbitalwalsh said:
1TB £33 + 16gb Intel Optane Memory £15 = £48 plus using 2GB of ram

16GB would fill very quickly and so would have the same cache juggling problems that SSHDs have.

MyBrainz · 15 May 2018 at 12:02

So at some point this year im going to be looking at an upgrade from a 6700K to probably Ryzen 2700x and im wondering if my Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200Mhz RAM will be fine for a Ryzen build?

I bought this kit here for £99.95 back in 2016, when prices were nice.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...l-channel-kit-cmd16gx4m2b3200c-my-468-cs.html (£219 now :eek:

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Note.. Ver is 5.39 on the sticks, so from what i read that is Hynix right?

Thanks.

opethdisciple · 15 May 2018 at 12:04

Should get my replacement ram today. Kudos to OcUK for getting it back to me so quickly. They only received my RMA yesterday!!

Hopefully you won't hear from me complaining later that it still doesn't work as I'll be busy using the PC.

chroniclard · 15 May 2018 at 12:11

MyBrains said:
So at some point this year im going to be looking at an upgrade from a 6700K to probably Ryzen 2700x and im wondering if my Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200Mhz RAM will be fine for a Ryzen build?

I bought this kit here for £99.95 back in 2016, when prices were nice.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...l-channel-kit-cmd16gx4m2b3200c-my-468-cs.html (£219 now )

Note.. Ver is 5.39 on the sticks, so from what i read that is Hynix right?

Thanks.

It will work, however hard to know if you will be able to reach "decent" speed/timings with it and how much tweaking it will take.

Have a search on http://www.overclock.net/forum/index.php see if anyone else has used it.

Aretak · 15 May 2018 at 12:13

MyBrains said:
So at some point this year im going to be looking at an upgrade from a 6700K to probably Ryzen 2700x and im wondering if my Corsair Dominator Platinum 3200Mhz RAM will be fine for a Ryzen build?

I bought this kit here for £99.95 back in 2016, when prices were nice.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...l-channel-kit-cmd16gx4m2b3200c-my-468-cs.html (£219 now )

Note.. Ver is 5.39 on the sticks, so from what i read that is Hynix right?

Thanks.

It'll certainly work. You might have to settle for a slightly lower speed than advertised though (likely 2933MHz).

MyBrainz · 15 May 2018 at 12:19

chroniclard said:
It will work, however hard to know if you will be able to reach "decent" speed/timings with it and how much tweaking it will take.

Have a search on http://www.overclock.net/forum/index.php see if anyone else has used it.

Thanks, will have a look later

Aretak said:
It'll certainly work. You might have to settle for a slightly lower speed than advertised though (likely 2933MHz).

Since my last 6700k died back in November, my replacement wont let my RAM go over 3000 anyway.. just wont post. So i suppose im already used to those speeds lol

Cheers guys

orbitalwalsh · 15 May 2018 at 12:38

IT Troll said:
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16GB would fill very quickly and so would have the same cache juggling problems that SSHDs have.

from what i've read its not cashe based but tier based . Data is in motion between the faster drive and slower drive when need- least how it reads
also the most recommended from reviewers. have 16gb version I need to try, will see if i can grab 32gb version .

IT Troll · 15 May 2018 at 13:52

orbitalwalsh said:
from what i've read its not cashe based but tier based . Data is in motion between the faster drive and slower drive when need- least how it reads
also the most recommended from reviewers. have 16gb version I need to try, will see if i can grab 32gb version .

It doesn't matter how they spin it, it is still acting as a cache in front of a bigger slower drive. If the thing you want is not in the ~~cache~~ tier 1 storage, it has to be accessed from a slower tier. The smaller the cache the more likely that is going to be, especially for large content like games.

humbug · 15 May 2018 at 14:23

chroniclard said:
and yet the majority of current games are faster on the 8700K, regardless of these old benchmarks being used.

"And Yet" i don't think you understand what he is driving at, the 2700X is a faster more powerful CPU, i think even you will concede that, so what he is saying is up to this point games are optimised more for CPU's like the 7700K, less compute threads but higher Mhz, this also applies for the 8700K, often in fact games are just optimised for Intel full stop, AMD never even entered the developers mind....... at least not up until about a year ago.

3DMark TimeSpy is a much later benchmarking app vs FireStrike, TimeSpy is optimised to take advantage more multithreaded higher performance CPU's, like the i7 6950 and the Ryzen 2700X, which is why these CPU's do better in it than the 8700K.

IMO this is important because its a good indicator as to where CPU performance in future games is heading.
Don't believe me? Intel think so too, thats why they are also bringing 8 core CPU's to mainstream, they know if they don't they will be out done by AMD's 8 core chips given they are faster than their 6 cores chips, the 8700K.

chroniclard · 15 May 2018 at 14:28

humbug said:
"And Yet" i don't think you understand what he is driving at, the 2700X is a faster more powerful CPU, i think even you will concede that, so what he is saying is up to this point games are optimised more for CPU's like the 7700K, less compute threads but higher Mhz, this also applies for the 8700K, often in fact games are just optimised for Intel full stop, AMD never even entered the developers mind.......

3DMark TimeSpy is a much later benchmarking app vs FireStrike, TimeSpy is optimised to take advantage more multithreaded higher performance CPU's, like the i7 6950 and the Ryzen 2700X.

IMO this is important because its a good indicator as to where CPU performance in future games is heading.

Yes perhaps in the future games may well be better optimised for multi threaded performance but at the moment the majority are not and why should devs bother for the minority few. By the time they are Intel will have new cpu's out.

I love my 2700X its a great CPU and I also liked my 1700X which was decent as well but not going to try and paint it as the saviour of the human race.

humbug · 15 May 2018 at 14:36

chroniclard said:
Yes perhaps in the future games may well be better optimised for multi threaded performance but at the moment the majority are not and why should devs bother for the minority few. By the time they are Intel will have new cpu's out.

I love my 2700X its a great CPU and I also liked my 1700X which was decent as well but not going to try and paint it as the saviour of the human race.

I don't understand that condescending last statement, clearly you're not arguing with anything i have said, it looks to me like you agree with it, perhaps you just have issues with me and would rather it was not me who said it, that i should just shut up....

Don't take it so personally then you wont see so much evil in every sentence.... this constant need by some people to make it personal and derail every thread into arguments is becoming insane, everyone just ####'ing chill out.

chroniclard · 15 May 2018 at 14:48

eh whut.....where did you get all that from.

humbug · 15 May 2018 at 14:50

Look, i didn't just point at the 2700X did i? read it again, Intel also have what are now more affordable 'all be it used' higher core count CPU's that are and will come into their own, and probably sooner than you think.

A lot of people are still on 2600K's, the fact is a lot of people keep their CPU's for years and make decisions based on that.

gavinh87 · 15 May 2018 at 14:51

humbug said:
I don't understand that condescending last statement, clearly you're not arguing with anything i have said, it looks to me like you agree with it, perhaps you just have issues with me and would rather it was not me who said it, that i should just shut up....

Don't take it so personally then you wont see so much evil in every sentence.... this constant need by some people to make it personal and derail every thread into arguments is becoming insane, everyone just ####'ing chill out.

Are you sure it's everyone else with the problem.?

humbug · 15 May 2018 at 14:59

gavinh87 said:
Are you sure it's everyone else with the problem.?

"everyone?" It would have to be you to put words into my mouth, i said "some people" 99% of this forum just want to talk about hardware, the remaining 1% very loudly just want to argue with people.

Zeed · 15 May 2018 at 15:43

Thing is Allot of people still on Sandybrigde Ivy and Haswell stick to them for ONE MAIN REASON

200 quid to buy DDR4 !!!!

4K8KW10 · 15 May 2018 at 16:07

Zeed said:
Thing is Allot of people still on Sandybrigde Ivy and Haswell stick to them for ONE MAIN REASON

200 quid to buy DDR4 !!!!

You are saying people had and still having no initiative to upgrade. Before Ryzen it was due to lack of new processors from Intel and AMD, and after Ryzen, because of the high 16GB DDR4 pricing.

humbug · 15 May 2018 at 16:09

£200, actually in my case £180 Ram pricing didn't stop me upgrading from Haswell.

It just meant that i ended up with a cheaper board than i would have liked.

HeX · 15 May 2018 at 16:14

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-reconfirms-7nm-zen2-and-vega-and-navi-designs.html

humbug · 15 May 2018 at 16:18

HeX said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-reconfirms-7nm-zen2-and-vega-and-navi-designs.html

“Thanks to additional improvements at both the transistor and process levels, the 7LP technology is exceeding initial performance targets and expected to deliver greater than 40 percent more processing power and twice the area scaling than the previous 14nm FinFET technology,” was stated by GlobalFoundries back in last year, mid-June.