Ryzen "2" ?

[kitfit1]

So in general boards such as the Prime Pro is only a 'cheaper' board in terms of Ryzen?

I say that because ram speed on the Prime Pro x370 seems to be the big difference when compared to say a CH6.

Because other than more overclocking features the Prime Z370 supports the same ram speeds etc as say a premium Z370 board?

It's always been the same with any generation of mobo's. The top boards have better VRM's, better power control, more accurate power control, and as a rule a better bios. I can remember very vividly an Abit mobo i had in the early 2000's that did a great job of clocking an Athlon 1700. Problem was though it was rubbish with the ram. DFI came along and blew Abit straight out of the water with a mobo that could clock the same chip higher and left Abit's ram speed standing still.
If you really love clocking ram and cpu's, then you just have to go for the best mobo available. You can't buy a cheap mobo and expect it to produce the same results as the best. It's like buying a BMW 535 and expecting it to be as quick as the cheapest Ferrari.

 

[opethdisciple]

@Ad_Augendae

Just posted this video:

At 7.21 he starts discussing voltages for Ryzen 1 and Ryzen 2.

He mentions that maximum recommend 24/7 voltages are as follows for Ryzen two:

Dram = 1.5v
SOC = 1.25v

With my memory I tried Dram up to 1.4v and the SOC up to 1.2v and saw no difference in stability at 3200MHz. But this was with the ram I sent back.

Worth trying again you reckon? Put the SOC to 1.25v set 1.4v on the ram and see if it makes a difference?

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Meh. I probably shouldn't bother. I have a stable system at the moment and I want to go and fiddle with it more...

 

[Ad_Augendae]

1,9 is way too much 24-7. It's just for benching. 1.5v is the max for warranty 24-7.

 

[muon]

I'm gonna test out a 2600X on an A320 and X370 board. Any guesses at the difference in performance?

I'm gonna guess none at stock (you wouldn't really overclock the 2600X anyway).

Early update before I switch over to testing the X370 board.

Asrock A320M (possibly all A320 boards) won't do XFR2 with the latest bios, at least out of the box.

So that means a peak core frequency of 4.15ghz when using 1T and a solid 3.9ghz when using 12T.

With XFR2 it should be hitting a peak of 4.2ghz with 1T and something in excess of or at 4.0ghz with 12T.

edit:

A bit of research is showing that people with X370 Taichi boards are having the same issue. So it may be an Asrock issue as they haven't released bioses since early last month on all last gen boards.

 

[Zeed]

@opethdisciple how many times we need to tell ya its the **** motherboard ??? Memories You have should work FULL STABLE with soc locked at 1.000 and DDR 1.35. You can put 1.8 volt in to ddr and 1.25 in to soc and WONT MAKE DIFFERENCE.

You want to get speed going order C7H swap stuf over and stop giving yourself a headache. And sell the crappy board you got on ebay for 50 quid

 

[opethdisciple]

@opethdisciple how many times we need to tell ya its the **** motherboard ??? Memories You have should work FULL STABLE with soc locked at 1.000 and DDR 1.35. You can put 1.8 volt in to ddr and 1.25 in to soc and WONT MAKE DIFFERENCE.

You want to get speed going order C7H swap stuf over and stop giving yourself a headache. And sell the crappy board you got on ebay for 50 quid

Alright done. I cba any more to fiddle.

 

[Zeed]

Alright done. I cba any more to fiddle.

If it goers for Your's mate jus buy him Intel. By now on Your place I would have enough of this messing about to.... GET STOCK RATED SPEED WORKING. You are not even overclocking the damn thing are ya ??

What if You order him this AMD setup and it will haveproblems like Yours ?? Who will he blame AMD or You for cinvincing him to get one ??

thats why all my mates got systems From ME like when I upgrade i just sell them my old full tested stable stuff for good price and move on to next.

Well sold my Motherboard and cpu on ebay for 250 quid. Chap is SUPER HAPPY he ordered teamgroup 4000 on sale that I'w told him to get,. Plugget it all loaded my overclocked 3950+3466 profile UP AND RUNNING

 

[chrcoluk]

"And Yet" i don't think you understand what he is driving at, the 2700X is a faster more powerful CPU, i think even you will concede that, so what he is saying is up to this point games are optimised more for CPU's like the 7700K, less compute threads but higher Mhz, this also applies for the 8700K, often in fact games are just optimised for Intel full stop, AMD never even entered the developers mind....... at least not up until about a year ago.

3DMark TimeSpy is a much later benchmarking app vs FireStrike, TimeSpy is optimised to take advantage more multithreaded higher performance CPU's, like the i7 6950 and the Ryzen 2700X, which is why these CPU's do better in it than the 8700K.

IMO this is important because its a good indicator as to where CPU performance in future games is heading.
Don't believe me? Intel think so too, thats why they are also bringing 8 core CPU's to mainstream, they know if they don't they will be out done by AMD's 8 core chips given they are faster than their 6 cores chips, the 8700K.

Future AAA games yes, not so much low budget games.

Although marketing is a big reason, when the prime benchmarking tool used by reviewers (And now seems end users) is cinebench no matter how irrelevant it is to real world usage, the marketing team will want to do good on it.

 

[4K8KW10]

Future AAA games yes, not so much low budget games.

Although marketing is a big reason, when the prime benchmarking tool used by reviewers (And now seems end users) is cinebench no matter how irrelevant it is to real world usage, the marketing team will want to do good on it.

Threadripper is designed with gaming in mind

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[chrcoluk]

Hard to get screenshots after OCN forum got 'UPGRADED'


This one is better 1400% and full memory load

Some people at OCN had EPIC luck on zen 1 motherboards and memory combos.
I got setting that passes over 2000%@3600cl15 but... Infinity fabric is unstable with high cpu overclock on top heh.
Sadly my ram kit just CANT DO CL14 pass 3400 tested up to 1.5 volts always errors :/

As I see overclockign on ryzen. First gen get 3200cl14 then see how much You can push CPU before infinity fabric gives up. On zen+ get 3466cl14/cl15 then see how far You can get CPU.

can you share a download link to that "run memtest" program? thanks

 

[chrcoluk]

Threadripper is designed with gaming in mind

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gaming on the few heavily threaded games whilst heavily multitasking. Perhaps should be the phrase.

I dont disagree tho, in the consumer thread heavy market, AMD has intel beat.
To me in lighter threaded workloads intel is still the leader, but as you go up then AMD takes over and the gap gets bigger at the most thready heavy loads/chips.

 

[BongoHunter]

One of my mates is now asking me for advice on a gaming PC.

I don't know what to say. He isn't an enthusiast. If I tell him to go buy a x470 and a 2700x and he starts having the same ram issues I'm having, there's going to be no end of headaches for me.

I'm tempted to just tell him to buy a 8700k.

I've built some Ryzen PCs for friends, I just set the RAM to the fastest setting I can get it stable, E.G anywhere between 2800 and 3200.

The money saved by going Ryzen and from not having super high end mobo and RAM goes towards GFX card, which is at least something most people can notice the performance increase from.

8700k with Z370 is expensive compared to say a 1700X with B350, can be the difference on a build between a GTX 1060 and a 1070TI easily, and I know which I'd rather for have for gaming!

 

[Journey]

8700k with Z370 is expensive compared to say a 1700X with B350, can be the difference on a build between a GTX 1060 and a 1070TI easily, and I know which I'd rather for have for gaming!

Don't take this the wrong way, but for some reason people seem to think that Z370 boards cost a fortune, when there are a number of them between £85-100, comparable with the AMD B350 prices for similar feature set. Then the 8700K for example if you are crazy enough not to shop around, then you'll get ripped for £330+, but you can get them for <£285, sans cooler obviously.

So, somehow I don't think the £240 GTX 1060 6GB to a £400+ GTX 1070Ti can be achieved since the 1700X is at cheapest £210-215, and you need to get a cooler for that too, so the difference is in real terms £70-75, not £160+.

Again, I am not saying that AM4 systems are not the better buy, but choosing the components wisely is key, to maximise the performance vs. value for money you will get from the system.

 

[BongoHunter]

Its not the boards that cost a fortune - though am not sure the cheap ones would be a good match to 8700K, its the CPU

Cheapest place I would dare put my card details into for 8700K is £315, which is still £100 more than a 1700X, cheapest Z370 board (which did not look great) was still £20 more than something like the Asrock B350 Pro4, and still be a difference again for the CPU cooler, as 8700K is a bit of a beast.

Thats a big chunk of change to throw at the difference in price between cheapest 1060 6GB (235 - OcUK) and the 1070TI (400 - OcUK)

Am not sure what your getting at!

 

[Kelt]

Its not the boards that cost a fortune - though am not sure the cheap ones would be a good match to 8700K, its the CPU

Cheapest place I would dare put my card details into for 8700K is £315, which is still £100 more than a 1700X, cheapest Z370 board (which did not look great) was still £20 more than something like the Asrock B350 Pro4, and still be a difference again for the CPU cooler, as 8700K is a bit of a beast.

Thats a big chunk of change to throw at the difference in price between cheapest 1060 6GB (235 - OcUK) and the 1070TI (400 - OcUK)

Am not sure what your getting at!

You're not doing it right

 

[BongoHunter]

You're not doing it right

Used google shopping thing!

 

[Journey]

Cheapest place I would dare put my card details into for 8700K is £315

Don't shop at the worlds largest online retailer then? Other places also have it, and you can walk in and pick it up from a retail premises. So your personal aversion means inevitably you'll be paying more, but not others.

The 8700K requires the same £20-30 tower cooler that you'd buy for an AM4 bases 95w TDP CPU. Unless you are planning on going mental, and putting 1.4v thought it, or something equally ridiculous.

As I said, the fact I picked out the massive issue that was £165 difference from the 1060 to the 1070Ti, just that in real terms, the saving between an el cheapo AMD setup, and an el cheapo Intel setup is about £70-75. Lets not pretend it is any more.

The real value comes when you select you components carefully, e.g. not a 1700X - grab the 1700 with the RBG Wraith Spire box cooler in induced for <£199, whack it on the £70-80 B350 board, and then you've just saved £15 against the CPU, and not spend money on a cooler, so call that £45 more to add to your graphics card of choice, then the difference in £115+ and that 1070Ti is within reach.

 

[BongoHunter]

So you seem to basically agree the difference in cost between and Ryzen build and an Intel build can save enough to help buy a better graphics card - or at least go a long way towards it? Is that not what my post was getting at?

 

[Journey]

So you seem to basically agree the difference in cost between and Ryzen build and an Intel build can save enough to help buy a better graphics card - or at least go a long way towards it? Is that not what my post was getting at?

I agree in principal yes, but the difference is not enough to be 1060 6GB to 1070Ti, but starts you on the right road, again choosing components wisely. However anyone in their right mind shouldn't be buying a graphics card with prices tumbling week on week

Personally I am a big believer in performance to £'s spent, and as as overall platform the injection of value AMD has given to the consumer, and businesses with the Zen architecture is immense and cannot be ignored. It has even impacted the pricing of Intel's parts to some extent. I am pretty excited for next year with 7nm and higher frequencies, not that I don't love the power my lowly R5 1600 test rig has, but in 12 months, hopefully we'll see a true leader, just like the good old Althlon XP & Opteron/A64 939 days.

 

[kitfit1]

just like the good old Althlon XP & Opteron/A64 939 days.

+1
Have some great memories of those days. The Athlon's and Opteron's wiped the floor with anything Intel had at the time. Let's just hope that Intel's ultimate response isn't the same as it was then. As we all know, they didn't have a response so they just bribed every OEM in the world not to sell AMD chips.