Ryzen "2" ?

[Buddy]

What an alternative cheap board? I've ordered the x470 with 2700x. I only plan to get the 3200 out the RAM. Not after ocing anything else.

Or maybe I should get a different Ram brand ?

EDIT : NVM called Ocuk and they said as they are building it they will ensure it is running at 3200mhz before it is delivered. Any issues they will call me.

 

[Illuminist]

Yeah... it um... it's a bit of a lemon, tbh. Buildzoid was not complimentary.

I was on the brink of swapping my Giga B350 board because of it's awful bios never allowing me to control anything (or ever working properly), but with B450 dragging its feet and X470 requiring a move to ATX anyway, I ended up doing a full platform swap instead. With your 2700X I'd be inclined to write the board off as a bad buy and replace it. Probably get 2/3 your money back on a popular auction site though

What board should i get to get cheap but the options i require with out lies about phases XD

 

[DoneADougalOnSofa]

Asus Prime Pro is pretty good. I went for the Strix, see sig below. Very nice board, seems to have all the options.
Also a useful few quid below the top-end offerings.

 

[ED209]

Does this thread include the 2200g and 2400g or is it only for the higher ones like 2600/2700/2700x?

 

[strumpusplunket]

Asus Prime Pro is pretty good. I went for the Strix, see sig below. Very nice board, seems to have all the options.
Also a useful few quid below the top-end offerings.

I got the same board, but I've not done any tinkering as yet. I'm waiting until I get a decent cooler. But I'd be really interested to hear people's experiences eking out performance from Ryzen 2*** chips on this board. Looks like you've got a good OC so far (presume that's a fixed all-core OC and not the speed you've managed to get all cores to boost to somehow?). You tried any RAM tweaking yet?

Does this thread include the 2200g and 2400g or is it only for the higher ones like 2600/2700/2700x?

I would have thought it covers both, but I've not seen much mentioned about the Raven Ridge APUs yet. Perhaps there's not been much uptake by people on the forums.

I built a system for my youngest with a 2200g and for his needs it's been a really great budget build. He's been playing Fortnite at medium settings with decent FPS, and it's cool and quiet in general use. Got a mATX board for a compact system too, and really pleased with how it's worked out, especially for how little it cost relatively speaking.

 

[pandem0nium]

I spoke too soon. 3200 ram still isn't fully stable on the previous bios version.

I've got a good deal on a X370 Taichi though from the MM so I'm going to give that a go. I couldn't justify spending twice as much for a good X470 board.

Installed the Taichi today and also beefed up my case and 360 AIO cooling with 6 corsair ML120s.

Happy to report that so far ram is running very stable at XMP 3200. Happy days .

 

[opethdisciple]

Seems this time round my choice of the Prime Pro X370 wasn't so good.

It's not bad. BIOS support has been good but the fact I cant get my ram to work at DOCP leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Who is the Prime range marketed at?

 

[chroniclard]

Seems this time round my choice of the Prime Pro X370 wasn't so good.

It's not bad. BIOS support has been good but the fact I cant get my ram to work at DOCP leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Who is the Prime range marketed at?

Have a prime pro x370, 8 pack ram and a 1600 in my daughters build, runs at 3200 DOCP fine.

I feel your pain though.

Actually, I think its running a modded bios.

Here are modded bios(for loads of boards) and instructions for installing them if you want to take a punt. They basically unlock loads of other options.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-...yzen-bios-mods-how-update-bios-correctly.html

 

[Lartyconshayo]

I have Asus prime pro x470 and I can't get ram past 2933. Ram is 4x16gb g-skill Sammy b-die.

 

[ED209]

I would have thought it covers both, but I've not seen much mentioned about the Raven Ridge APUs yet. Perhaps there's not been much uptake by people on the forums.

I built a system for my youngest with a 2200g and for his needs it's been a really great budget build. He's been playing Fortnite at medium settings with decent FPS, and it's cool and quiet in general use. Got a mATX board for a compact system too, and really pleased with how it's worked out, especially for how little it cost relatively speaking.

I did the same for my son with a 2200g but Im having issues with random green screens in minecraft so trying to see if anyone else has found a solution to this but trying to find a place that has 2200g users is slim on here

 

[G550]

Seems this time round my choice of the Prime Pro X370 wasn't so good.

It's not bad. BIOS support has been good but the fact I cant get my ram to work at DOCP leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Who is the Prime range marketed at?

Most user reports at the time the Prime X370 Pro was released and in the months following, seemed to indicate RAM frequencies topped out lower than most other competing boards, eg 2933 or maybe 3000. Put me off going x370/1600x last year after release.

The Prime X470 Pro version seems to do just fine as regards memory overclocking. Mine is at 3466 and could go a little higher if I loosened the timings a tad.
Only missing feature is the BCLK generator though I don't find I miss it.

It has been pretty much hassle free. Spent a week or two probing cpu/board/memory capability, but the fun of that process was was part of the reason I went Ryzen in the first place.

 

[strumpusplunket]

I did the same for my son with a 2200g but I having issues with random green screens in minecraft so trying to see if anyone else has found a solution to this but trying to find a place that has 2200g users is slim on here

Yeah, not seen many so far either.

Which board did you go with? I got a Gigabyte AB350-M Gaming 3, and luckily for me it was all plug-n-play (so far at least!)

Most user reports at the time the Prime X370 Pro was released and in the months following, seemed to indicate RAM frequencies topped out lower than most other competing boards, eg 2933 or maybe 3000. Put me off going x370/1600x last year after release.

The Prime X470 Pro version seems to do just fine as regards memory overclocking. Mine is at 3466 and could go a little higher if I loosened the timings a tad.
Only missing feature is the BCLK generator though I don't find I miss it.

The Strix also lacks a few BCLK features. Specifically it has no external clock generator (though it seems there are problems with these in the boards that do have them, so maybe no loss?).

If what I've seen is right, on the Strix X470-F, BCLK is actually labelled APU in the BIOS - is that right?

And, without anything to lock down peripheral clocks, what is it safe to go to on BCLK? 103? 104? I've seen reports that even these small BCLK OCs give a nice increase to Ryzen XFR boosts?

 

[ED209]

Yeah, not seen many so far either.

Which board did you go with? I got a Gigabyte AB350-M Gaming 3, and luckily for me it was all plug-n-play (so far at least!)

Exactly the same board as me, minecraft is the only game I have a problem with and AMD have a ticket open for the issue but unable to replicate so wondering if anyone had the same setup and played minecraft or just used the 2200g for it

 

[eddiew]

What board should i get to get cheap but the options i require with out lies about phases XD

All cheap boards lie about phases Almost all of them are using 4 pairs of inductors and mosfets in parallel and calling it 8 phases. I mean, it IS better than straight 4 because at least you've got more mosfets to spread the load, but it's still 4 actual phases because the pairs are in sync, so you don't get any additional stability or de-rippling (if that's a term). And some manufacturers use cheap, high resistance mosfets which completely frikking negates the point because they spit out twice the heat -_-

Best resources I can find for AM4 is unfortunately for the X370 and B350 boards: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/630gc9/am4_motherboard_tier_list_updated_40217/ On the other hand, the X470s are basically just refreshes and it's unlikely that anyone's dropped VRM quality vs the previous generation. Maybe pick one from there that's about your budget then have a dig into it and see if you can find better details? My best advice is research the shot out of it first. You have a working system so take your time

Off the top of my head, the Asus ROG Strix-F is middling fair, but that's £190 and you might as well stretch to an Asrock Taichi for £210 which is good (proper doubling of phases). Asus Crosshair 7 is serious overkill at £255, but is the one I'd suggest will handle any Ryzen 3000 in the future with no problems whatsoever. It might be worth the investment, imo, and it would have been my choice had I stuck with AMD.

For £160 the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon didn't get totally hated on by Buildzoid... It's not brilliant, but it's not awful either. (Yes I love that guy's channel, he is actually honest about stuff and understands how VRMs work.)

Avoid Asus TUF like the plague. It does not mean what it once did Gigabyte has really dropped off of late, with the exception of their most expensive, they're all a bit poo, imo. And even on the best ones the m.2 is trapped behind the gpu, where it will throttle during gaming. Source; my 960 Pro throttled during gaming when trapped behind a humble 1060.

 

[strumpusplunket]

Exactly the same board as me, minecraft is the only game I have a problem with and AMD have a ticket open for the issue but unable to replicate so wondering if anyone had the same setup and played minecraft or just used the 2200g for it

Ah okay. My lad's only tried Fortnite and Flash games so far. I might try Minecraft on his PC to see what happens.

(Oh, I guess it's relevant to ask which BIOS version you're running too?)

 

[chroniclard]

And, without anything to lock down peripheral clocks, what is it safe to go to on BCLK? 103? 104? I've seen reports that even these small BCLK OCs give a nice increase to Ryzen XFR boosts?

This is what my 2700X boost does at 103.4 bclk (with asus PE3 overclock). However, you need to be happy with quite high voltages, though its not far off those figures at stock to be honest.
All core is 4135.

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

Avoid Asus TUF like the plague. It does not mean what it once did Gigabyte has really dropped off of late, with the exception of their most expensive, they're all a bit poo, imo. And even on the best ones the m.2 is trapped behind the gpu, where it will throttle during gaming. Source; my 960 Pro throttled during gaming when trapped behind a humble 1060.

That's a pity - the TUF series used to be great. But now it's just another generic "gaming" series at the low end.

 

[G550]

I have Asus prime pro x470 and I can't get ram past 2933. Ram is 4x16gb g-skill Sammy b-die.

From what I can recall of the X470 release, AMD specified a different memory topology to that of X370 (daisy chain instead of T-branch) in order to permit higher maximum DRAM clocks when only 1 DIMM is installed per channel at the expense of the clock ceiling when 2 DIMMs per channel are installed.
ie 2 DIMMs X470 best, 4 DIMMs X370 best.

 

[strumpusplunket]

This is what my 2700X boost does at 103.4 bclk (with asus PE3 overclock). However, you need to be happy with quite high voltages, though its not far off those figures at stock to be honest.
All core is 4135.

Ah, they're nice boosts. The 1.5v+ Core Voltages are a bit alarming, but as you say, I've seen mine spike to that level. Are they regularly that high, or are those just spikes?

Can you set a negative offset with that at all, or is that the limit of volts/stability?

And no problems with PCIe or USB devices or drives at 103.4 bclk?

 

[eddiew]

Which board did you go with? I got a Gigabyte AB350-M Gaming 3, and luckily for me it was all plug-n-play (so far at least!)

That board's a total lottery from what I can see. Some people have no problems, others cannot make them work properly. Mine loved to overvolt the CPU at any hint of an OC (1.575v!) and very nearly bricked itself after a bios flash. Also no heatsink on the SOC VRMs! What the heck is that about? Would not want to put an APU in it...

I have Asus prime pro x470 and I can't get ram past 2933. Ram is 4x16gb g-skill Sammy b-die.

16 gb/dimm is asking a lot even with b-die. They're all double sided/dual ranked, and it's just more work for the memory controller to handle. I could never get mine past 3000 either, and the later bioses dropped that to 2933