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Ryzen "2" ?

Just shows how much Intel are relying on their process technology. 12nm LP from GloFo is just an improved version of 14nm LPP, probably barely better than the 14nm process that Intel used for Skylake. If AMD had access to the 14nm++ process Intel are currently using, Zen would be reaching 5 GHz.

It's gonna be fun to see AMD compete with Intel next year using equal process technology. I'm expecting that with Zen 2, they'll bring at least 10-15% IPC over Zen and we should see 5 GHz overclocks being quite common.

Intel must open its factories and allow AMD to make their CPU there, too. How did AMD give Intel their Vega IP?

Well, here, in the following test, the performance uplift is very high:

 
I am not convinced on the leaks - Maxon cinebench is showing around a 12% uplift in Single thread performance over an 1800x. To be honest that is north of what I expected.
 
Higher boost clock and IPC improvements, hardly beyond the realm of possibility...

I know - and the 12% Higher single thread and only 8% higher multi-thread. That points to a higher limited core boost. The leak is that this is a 2700 not the flagship either so we should be looking at number higher that that. It is still a ways south of the 8700k single core, but it closes the gap a fair way. I guess we will see soon enough.
 
I reckon this is where we'll end up:

Flagship still a bit south of Intel's single thread (but much closer). Whipping it mercilessly in multi-thread/pretty much everything else. 2 more cores, 4 more threads, similar price.
 
And people will still say it's no good for gaming :p
LOL - it is still likely to be 10-15% behind the 8700k on pure single core performance - and I would guess it will stay 10% behind unless something is actually using the 7th&8th core.
It is going to blow the 8700k away when it comes to multicore though.
 
The most interesting thing for me about the leaks, is the decent decrease in cache and memory latency.

It would be very interesting to see what a 2400G scores with 16-16-16-36 timings (as in the leak). My understanding is it has the same IMC improvements and should score similarly, so matching scores would help boost the credibility of the leak.

It makes sense though: AMD knew they'd get something from the process improvement and then picked the 1 thing they knew could have significant impact (IMC) and improved it. This was especially important for the APUs which use system memory for the GPU side so it's a very good use of engineering resources by them.
 
LOL - it is still likely to be 10-15% behind the 8700k on pure single core performance - and I would guess it will stay 10% behind unless something is actually using the 7th&8th core.
It is going to blow the 8700k away when it comes to multicore though.

There's genuinely not _that_ much stuff that's purely single core.
Precision boost 2 alone will make things work nicer. As it was, heavy single threaded stuff + smaller workloads on other cores meant a general reduction in core speed - so, the heavy single threaded part of the workload would suck. The newer version is able to balance things much better so "single threaded" performance will be better than just IPC and Ghz indicate. We'll have to wait and see on games benchmarks, all up in the air till then but I think 10-15% behind is a bit pessimistic.

10 days till solid news.
 
some of the leaks are actual performance . the new chips will obviously be great for gaming just not on par with a 8700k . people who say single core performance doesnt matter in gaming it does a very big deal.thats why intel dominate literally every top game in benchmarks.its nice to see amd bringing good cpus.if they really want to take a big part of the market get that single performance up ! they can do the multi get the single up and people will jump intels ship as fast as they can make em. most people prefer amd as a company. its just the performance of why people choose intel.
 
10% less single core speed than the 8700 but humiliating it everywhere else is a win if true - i would much rather have a slightly less fast single core chip than one that gets its ass handed to it in many other tasks, especially as zen is likely to still be more affordable and use less power and dump less heat... remember all those things amd gets blamed for in the past.
 
Yeah there is still time for them to mess this up, even if those numbers are accurate AMD are capable of messing up the launch - they have history :D

No 2800 (at the moment), i wonder if it will be released in a month or two. Maybe waiting for the process to settle a little more to drop a 4.5ghz chip out just to kick intel in the dangly bits.
 
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