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Ryzen "2" ?

People forget Ryzen has only been out a year - this is basically a few 100mhz and some slight IPC tweaks to the actual cores. This is more akin to the Core i7 7700K level refresh which was mostly clockspeed and IGP related,but had no IPC increase. If anything the time between the release of the Core i7 6700K and the Core i7 7700K was closer to 18 months IIRC.
 
Computerbase recon the bios is not up to date or something, to be honest it does seem to be iffy which is a good thing as say another 5% or so on the gaming tasks will virtually nerf all of intels advantage which would be so small to be not worth it.
 
Trek9.9sl said:
Video from MindBlank published exactly a year ago, explores how memory speed effects gaming with regards to Ryzen. 7700k 5.0ghz vs. 1700x at 3.97ghz.

This video was the primary reason I was curious about the x470 boards and memory speed capabilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA
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Most of the bottleneck/restriction resides on the CPU itself, the DF/IF and IMC.

NinjaCool said:
Yes it seems we might get several % boost in performance once we actually get a proper review out.

I think Precision Boost Overdrive is only available on the new boards with a Ryzen 2 CPU.
The X370 boards supports regular XFR2 but I don't think it supports XFR2 Enhanced.
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Indeed.
Though I’m sure most people won’t use this anyway as they’ll be all-core overclocking.
 
Trek9.9sl said:
Video from MindBlank published exactly a year ago, explores how memory speed effects gaming with regards to Ryzen. 7700k 5.0ghz vs. 1700x at 3.97ghz.

This video was the primary reason I was curious about the x470 boards and memory speed capabilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZS2XHcQdqA
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Yeah i found exactly the same thing, the timings make no differences, it is just the actual speed that matters and it matters a lot, from 2400Mhz to 3066Mhz CL16 i gained 16% in average frame rates, CL16 to CL14 just 3%.

So it doesn't actually have to be Samsung B-Die for that low CL14 latency, as long as its 3000 or 3200Mhz Ram you will get pretty much the same result, mine are 3000 LPX are run well at 3066Mhz, 3200Mhz is +4.3%, at 0.6:1 scaling is only about 2% gain in performance, my 16GB kit was £180 vs the Samsung B-Die 3200Mhz 8Pack kit at £240, for that i can live without that extra 2%.
 
Must admit, I really hope that the 2xxx line bench better with a premium board and memory because I'm starting to feel like a pillock for investing in Ryzen 1st gen. I bought into the AM4 upgrade path, but it sounds like XFR 2 and Precision Boost 2 won't work on 3xx chipsets. As it happens, my board is a frikking dog's egg and I fully plan on smashing it with a hammer once I can replace it, but I don't like being sold a half-truth. Meanwhile I'm frequently starved for single-thread performance and looking enviously at Intel owners with their extra 1.2 gigahertz of it :(

I'd honestly like to stick with AMD because Intel are shady AF, but since I want to swap both board and CPU, I'm having a hard time resisting a delidded 8700k... Fingers crossed for some reliable 4.4+ overclocks and better performance with 3200+ memory.

/grumpyoldman
 
Rossi~ said:
Though I’m sure most people won’t use this anyway as they’ll be all-core overclocking.
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To be honest I only overclock for benches for most of my use I leave my machine stock, its fast enough but then I have a 1900x whose base + boost is 3.9Ghz all core when cooled correctly.

I'd be very interested in the new XFR2 etc as the current implementation on TR only allows 2C/4T @ 4.2Ghz and my cooling can handle much more but current Boost/XFR doesn't allow it.

Running all 16 at 4.2 is a lot of heat, a more granular core clocking approach that the new chips have will see my chip at 4.2+ with more cores, more of the time, that is a good thing.
 
eddiew said:
I'm frequently starved for single-thread performance and looking enviously at Intel owners with their extra 1.2 gigahertz of it :(

I'd honestly like to stick with AMD because Intel are shady AF, but since I want to swap both board and CPU, I'm having a hard time resisting a delidded 8700k... Fingers crossed for some reliable 4.4+ overclocks and better performance with 3200+ memory.

/grumpyoldman
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you could have a 6Ghz 8700k, you'll still be waiting for that 1060.
 
sandys said:
you could have a 6Ghz 8700k, you'll still be waiting for that 1060.
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Not with Kerbal Space Program and Minecraft I won't :) Both are poorly threaded game engines that max 1-2 cores, while requiring not a vast amount of GPU effort, and both struggle for fps when modded. But the quality of the coding doesn't change the fact that I enjoy playing them, so I need to plan my hardware accordingly. There's also things like responsiveness in Manga Studio when using a big brush and heavy smoothing - I can't even imagine that being threaded.

TLDR, the gap between my 4ghz XFR and a 5ghz 8700k seems very wide right now.

Don't get me wrong, Ryzen was an upgrade for other things; Cities Skylines loves Ryzen @ 3.7 far more than a 2500k @ 4.5. Ark Survival and Subnautica both seem to prefer it as well, although as you say, the GPU limits both of these (though both play perfectly fine to my eyes). But these are about the limits of my gaming interests, and none of them would be thriving on a 1800x while challenging an 8700k, so my hardware change next month is really down to what Ryzen 2xxx can deliver that closes that single-thread gap. If that's mostly "nothing", then I have to look to Intel, with their higher prices, new socket every time, crappy TIM, mandatory delidding and dodgy business practises :(
 
eddiew said:
Don't get me wrong, Ryzen was an upgrade for other things; Cities Skylines loves Ryzen @ 3.7 far more than a 2500k @ 4.5. Ark Survival and Subnautica both seem to prefer it as well, although as you say, the GPU limits both of these (though both play perfectly fine to my eyes). But these are about the limits of my gaming interests, and none of them would be thriving on a 1800x while challenging an 8700k, so my hardware change next month is really down to what Ryzen 2xxx can deliver that closes that single-thread gap. If that's mostly "nothing", then I have to look to Intel, with their higher prices, new socket every time, crappy TIM, mandatory delidding and dodgy business practises :(
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You're not gonna have a perfect rig for everything, like you say some games/applications love cores, others love MHz. Maybe an 8 core Coffee Lake refresh (rumoured for later this year) would satisfy you, although I'd guess it'd be rather expensive (hint: the i7-8700K is only slightly cheaper than the i7-7800X, and the i7-7820X is $600). Or wait another year for Zen 2?
 
eddiew said:
Not with Kerbal Space Program and Minecraft I won't :) Both are poorly threaded game engines that max 1-2 cores, while requiring not a vast amount of GPU effort, and both struggle for fps when modded. But the quality of the coding doesn't change the fact that I enjoy playing them, so I need to plan my hardware accordingly. There's also things like responsiveness in Manga Studio when using a big brush and heavy smoothing - I can't even imagine that being threaded.

TLDR, the gap between my 4ghz XFR and a 5ghz 8700k seems very wide right now.

Don't get me wrong, Ryzen was an upgrade for other things; Cities Skylines loves Ryzen @ 3.7 far more than a 2500k @ 4.5. Ark Survival and Subnautica both seem to prefer it as well, although as you say, the GPU limits both of these (though both play perfectly fine to my eyes). But these are about the limits of my gaming interests, and none of them would be thriving on a 1800x while challenging an 8700k, so my hardware change next month is really down to what Ryzen 2xxx can deliver that closes that single-thread gap. If that's mostly "nothing", then I have to look to Intel, with their higher prices, new socket every time, crappy TIM, mandatory delidding and dodgy business practises :(
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Never buy hardware based on principles, if what you want and need it Intel's high Mhz you should get Intel, i don't like, in fact hate nVidia's business practices, check my signature.
 
DragonQ said:
You're not gonna have a perfect rig for everything, like you say some games/applications love cores, others love MHz. Maybe an 8 core Coffee Lake refresh (rumoured for later this year) would satisfy you, although I'd guess it'd be rather expensive (hint: the i7-8700K is only slightly cheaper than the i7-7800X, and the i7-7820X is $600). Or wait another year for Zen 2?
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In all honestly, it's only Cities Skylines that even might benefit from 8 cores at this time. A fast hex would almost certainly do me better than a slower octo. Perhaps I was a little overoptimistic when buying a 1600X and planning on a 2800X in "a year" that would be significantly faster.

While I do have hope for the real Zen 2, my current board is terrible (awful OC options, savagely high voltage, disappointing memory speeds and poor layout heating up my m.2 drive) and I really want to both get away from it and improve performance sooner rather than later. If Ryzen 2xxx closes the gap a bit, e.g. with reliable 4.4 all-core overclocks, then I'll settle on a premium 4xx board and hope that AMD can deliver an upgrade in a year's time. Otherwise I really will have to look towards Intel :<

humbug said:
Never buy hardware based on principles, if what you want and need it Intel's high Mhz you should get Intel, i don't like, in fact hate nVidia's business practices, check my signature.
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Oh I'm aware of nvidia's dodgy doings, but they seem to maintain a lead on small/quiet/powerful-enough cards, and that's what I shop for. Happy to pick up an AMD as my next when it comes at the same performance/watt and isn't monstrously overpriced. In fact I'd benefit from an AMD GPU, since my monitor has freesync.

That I find Intel's business strategies alone is, tbh, not enough reason for me to not buy their products if those products are also the best available for my uses. The real annoyance is that if I want to OC an 8700k, I'm pretty much mandated to delid it, or pay for a delidded (and binned) one. That is enough of a black mark that I'll take a 4.5 Ryzen over a 5.0 Coffee.

Given the choice (again) of a 3.7 Ryzen vs a 5.0 Coffee... I made the wrong decision last year. Should have waited 2 more months and stumped up the cash. My only consolation is that more than half the cost at the time was the 32GB memory, which I will be able to keep :)
 
eddiew said:
Oh I'm aware of nvidia's dodgy doings, but they seem to maintain a lead on small/quiet/powerful-enough cards, and that's what I shop for. Happy to pick up an AMD as my next when it comes at the same performance/watt and isn't monstrously overpriced. In fact I'd benefit from an AMD GPU, since my monitor has freesync.
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The Radeons are pretty strong in the game:
Vega 64 is almost catching 1080Ti, while Radeon RX 580 8GB is leaps and bounds ahead of GTX 1060 6GB< let alone the 3GB version.http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/far-cry-5-test-gpu-cpu

 
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