Ryzen 3 pricing from OCUK

[nomadd]

But you lose two cores?

But does it matter?: "Moving on to multi-threaded performance, the six core Ryzen 5 3600 puts on a mightily impressive showing, handily outpacing Intel’s 8 core, 8 thread i7 9700K and coming within a whisper’s distance from Intel’s 8 core, 16 thread i9 9900K"

Again, if the leaks turn out to be true.

And for £185, I'm prepared to give it a few breaks even if it comes in just below.

 

[DragonQ]

But you lose two cores?

Typo, meant R5 2600X. Currently ~£170-180 so the R5 3600 will launch only slightly above this.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

But you lose two cores?

i think he meant Ryzen 5 2600X.

 

[jay13bry]

My concern is that the B450 Motherboards will limit the 3000 chips. Most dont seem to go beyond 3200mhz reliably from what ive been reading online. A 3700X and a B450 + New GPU and RAM are on the shopping list as things stand, though I might to 3600 and X570 if prices are similar id rather than a solid upgrade path and faster ram on Day 1 than cap myself by trying to save a few ££

The 8pack 3600mhz looks golden and im sure ill order some, but 3600mhz C16 might be the "sweet spot" according to AMD, will a B450 board run it with Ryzen 3000? Who knows.

EDIT - For clarity I expect clock for clock performance at the 3200mhz ram speed to be identical across all AM4 boards and AMD has said as much, but if X570 boards can hit 4000mhz + ram.....

 

[Gibbo]

My concern is that the B450 Motherboards will limit the 3000 chips. Most dont seem to go beyond 3200mhz reliably from what ive been reading online. A 3700X and a B450 + New GPU and RAM are on the shopping list as things stand, though I might to 3600 and X570 if prices are similar id rather than a solid upgrade path and faster ram on Day 1 than cap myself by trying to save a few ££

The 8pack 3600mhz looks golden and im sure ill order some, but 3600mhz C16 might be the "sweet spot" according to AMD, will a B450 board run it with Ryzen 3000? Who knows.

EDIT - For clarity I expect clock for clock performance at the 3200mhz ram speed to be identical across all AM4 boards and AMD has said as much, but if X570 boards can hit 4000mhz + ram.....

3600MHz is sweet spot on all platforms.

 

[ltron]

3600MHz is sweet spot on all platforms.

Will I be able to run 4 sticks of RAM for 32GB total at 3600MHz CAS 16 easily?

 

[Alan1969]

But you lose two cores?

I think that the IPC and cache improvements of the 3600 will beat the two extra cores of a 2700X.

 

[DragonQ]

Will I be able to run 4 sticks of RAM for 32GB total at 3600MHz CAS 16 easily?

...on an X470 motherboard?

 

[easyrider]

I think that the IPC and cache improvements of the 3600 will beat the two extra cores of a 2700X.

Lol

 

[Gibbo]

Will I be able to run 4 sticks of RAM for 32GB total at 3600MHz CAS 16 easily?

Well just like X470, tighter timings needs good IC, which is typically the strength of Samsung B-Die. We've not tested Micron E-Die with tight timings, it is great at high frequencies but unfortunately the performance at 3600MHz pretty much beats or matches 4500MHz.

In short your simply best of with 3200-3600MHz kits, spending extra for high-end kits or high frequency kits will typically be a waste.

 

[Zeed]

I think that the IPC and cache improvements of the 3600 will beat the two extra cores of a 2700X.

in games yes in rendering nope

 

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[jay13bry]

Well just like X470, tighter timings needs good IC, which is typically the strength of Samsung B-Die. We've not tested Micron E-Die with tight timings, it is great at high frequencies but unfortunately the performance at 3600MHz pretty much beats or matches 4500MHz.

In short your simply best of with 3200-3600MHz kits, spending extra for high-end kits or high frequency kits will typically be a waste.

That's the issue though, outside of X570 support for those speeds looks poor. B450 boards, like the B450 Pro Carbon or the X470 equivalent dont support past 3466mhz and the forums are filled with folks with Ryzen 2000 chips still not getting beyond 3000mhz let alone 3200mhz. Thats before timings come into play too.

Ideally B450 with a good VRM is fine for me, even with Ryzen 3000. But.... I dont want to cap myself on RAM speeds.

 

[Sh4rkie]

Will I be able to run 4 sticks of RAM for 32GB total at 3600MHz CAS 16 easily?

I'm waiting for in-depth memory analysis but this seems to suggest 4 slots of ram might be harder work than two;

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-memory-recommendations-asrock,news-61041.html

Again lets see what happens when the kit is in the wild!

 

[jay13bry]

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Very tempting.

 

[Gibbo]

That's the issue though, outside of X570 support for those speeds looks poor. B450 boards, like the B450 Pro Carbon or the X470 equivalent dont support past 3466mhz and the forums are filled with folks with Ryzen 2000 chips still not getting beyond 3000mhz let alone 3200mhz. Thats before timings come into play too.

Ideally B450 with a good VRM is fine for me, even with Ryzen 3000. But.... I dont want to cap myself on RAM speeds.

Yes the older platform can indeed struggle with even 3200MHz, we have seen the same here, that normally the cheaper 3200 kits in most X470 or 450 mainboards you have to run at 3000MHz for stability, we have found using our 8 Pack 3200 kits will run at 3200MHz and at like 14-14-14-28-1T, but of course a screened Samsung B-Die kit is like £140 versus say £60-£70 for a 3000MHz 16G kit.

The X570 is much improved in this aspect that now 3200-3600MHz is pretty damn easy and pretty much across all mainboards, but we have being testing with B-Die in fairness but we are seeing far less problems, 8 Pack is gonna do some testing with regular 3200-3600 kits in X570 as it should be much improved, my point was basically more to advice customers to not shell out for the super-expensive 4000MHz plus kits, simply because the sweet spot is 3200-3600MHz with better latency's.

 

[Gibbo]

CSSD-F1000GBMP600, looks exceptional value really given the speed.

Very tempting.

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[jay13bry]

Yes the older platform can indeed struggle with even 3200MHz, we have seen the same here, that normally the cheaper 3200 kits in most X470 or 450 mainboards you have to run at 3000MHz for stability, we have found using our 8 Pack 3200 kits will run at 3200MHz and at like 14-14-14-28-1T, but of course a screened Samsung B-Die kit is like £140 versus say £60-£70 for a 3000MHz 16G kit.

The X570 is much improved in this aspect that now 3200-3600MHz is pretty damn easy and pretty much across all mainboards, but we have being testing with B-Die in fairness but we are seeing far less problems, 8 Pack is gonna do some testing with regular 3200-3600 kits in X570 as it should be much improved, my point was basically more to advice customers to not shell out for the super-expensive 4000MHz plus kits, simply because the sweet spot is 3200-3600MHz with better latency's.

Thanks Gibbo. Indeed the kit youve highlighted is the one ive made my mind up on. Infact, I think ill just order them damn thing now. That way if I dont got X570 (because ideally ill be buying a new GPU too and ive got £200+ motherboards in mind as a minimum on X570) then ill at least be able to tighten up the timings down to the C14 ranges without much issue. **Crosses Fingers**

 

[Gibbo]

Thanks Gibbo. Indeed the kit youve highlighted is the one ive made my mind up on. Infact, I think ill just order them damn thing now. That way if I dont got X570 (because ideally ill be buying a new GPU too and ive got £200+ motherboards in mind as a minimum on X570) then ill at least be able to tighten up the timings down to the C14 ranges without much issue. **Crosses Fingers**

Well the beauty of those 8 pack kits is they run so well in both AMD and Intel, I think its simply because Samsung B-Die is motherboard manufacturers preferred choice, as its just one of those products that simply works.

 

[easyrider]

simply because the sweet spot is 3200-3600MHz with better latency's.

G Skill Flare X 3200mhz CAS 14 Samsung B die here B450 solid as a rock ...I won’t be changing to 3600mhz