Ryzen 5600x vs 3700x

queamin · 17 Oct 2020 at 12:45

Mr Oblong said:
Think they're talking about 'special' deals, as opposed to proper availability at mainstream retailers.

Yes there are special deals, but a couple of week ago the 3900 for £320 now it linked to a 3800x not sure if at the time it was linked to 3900 or 3800x at the time.
But there were a few at £340 around 2 weeks ago after the prices of the 5*** were shown it looks like quite a few Cpu's got a price hike.

Mr Oblong · 17 Oct 2020 at 14:12

queamin said:
Yes there are special deals, but a couple of week ago the 3900 for £320 now it linked to a 3800x not sure if at the time it was linked to 3900 or 3800x at the time.
But there were a few at £340 around 2 weeks ago after the prices of the 5*** were shown it looks like quite a few Cpu's got a price hike.

Yeah I think I've noticed the same.

Absolutely Clueless · 17 Oct 2020 at 22:40

Mr Oblong said:
Not at all, it's a good card with better single core performance than the 3900/X. It's a valid choice, depending on your needs and budget.

Gaming only, so 10 cores is absolutely plenty. I don't really want to spend more than £440, as the 10850k is already pricey. Having said that, taking into account resale value, maybe the 12 core 5900X will have similar lifetime costs.

Mr Oblong · 17 Oct 2020 at 22:47

Absolutely Clueless said:
Gaming only, so 10 cores is absolutely plenty. I don't really want to spend more than £440, as the 10850k is already pricey. Having said that, taking into account resale value, maybe the 12 core 5900X will have similar lifetime costs.

And power usage over a lifetime might close things up a hair too.

But then there's availability to think about, but then there's PCI4...

Absolutely Clueless · 17 Oct 2020 at 23:33

Mr Oblong said:
And power usage over a lifetime might close things up a hair too.

But then there's availability to think about, but then there's PCI4...

There is so much to think about. I wanted to wait for all the announcements before deciding to build, but it's not made things easy.

Mr Oblong · 17 Oct 2020 at 23:34

Absolutely Clueless said:
There is so much to think about. I wanted to wait for all the announcements before deciding to build, but it's not made things easy.

I'm in the same position, and it's only made things more confusing.

Absolutely Clueless · 18 Oct 2020 at 00:21

Mr Oblong said:
I'm in the same position, and it's only made things more confusing.

Not good for my mental state. I'm all over the place with this research. Feel like there is always more to read/watch/check.

Mr Oblong · 18 Oct 2020 at 00:26

Absolutely Clueless said:
Not good for my mental state. I'm all over the place with this research. Feel like there is always more to read/watch/check.

If it's truly being an issue, chill out and take a break. I get it, because I get obsessive with this stuff too.

Reviews will be out just before the release, in all likelihood, and you'll see all your purchase prospects on bar charts. At that point you can make a call.

In the end, it's partly trivia- we're on these boards because we like to discuss and overthink things. Take it easy bud

Absolutely Clueless · 19 Oct 2020 at 22:26

Mr Oblong said:
If it's truly being an issue, chill out and take a break. I get it, because I get obsessive with this stuff too.

Reviews will be out just before the release, in all likelihood, and you'll see all your purchase prospects on bar charts. At that point you can make a call.

In the end, it's partly trivia- we're on these boards because we like to discuss and overthink things. Take it easy bud

I am slightly exaggerating, but I already know there will be things that scupper my build plans that I haven't thought of. I.e. I want to go with the Noctua NH-D15, but that requires checking it fits with what feels like every single other component. And that's after I have planned and bought everything. What fun this is!

I am 99% sure I'll not be buying anything until the Zen 3 reviews are out and RDNA 2 is announced anyway, so will have a full picture. So, it may work out well that I haven't managed to grab a 3080. Still thinking of the 10850k and 3080 as things stand.

Mr Oblong · 19 Oct 2020 at 22:43

Absolutely Clueless said:
I am slightly exaggerating, but I already know there will be things that scupper my build plans that I haven't thought of. I.e. I want to go with the Noctua NH-D15, but that requires checking it fits with what feels like every single other component. And that's after I have planned and bought everything. What fun this is!

I am 99% sure I'll not be buying anything until the Zen 3 reviews are out and RDNA 2 is announced anyway, so will have a full picture. So, it may work out well that I haven't managed to grab a 3080. Still thinking of the 10850k and 3080 as things stand.

I was considering going small form factor this time around... the amount of calculating dimensions I did put me off after a while.

Absolutely Clueless · 19 Oct 2020 at 22:55

Mr Oblong said:
I was considering going small form factor this time around... the amount of calculating dimensions I did put me off after a while.

I'm only 90% set on the Noctua, and that's with an ATX, mid-tower size. RAM clearance will be the end of me. I see the appeal of an AIO, even if it is just to avoid all this time wasting!

Some of the 3080 small form factor builds I have seen on reddit look incredible. They probably run cooler than the botched PC I'll end up building!

Mr Oblong · 19 Oct 2020 at 23:02

Absolutely Clueless said:
I'm only 90% set on the Noctua, and that's with an ATX, mid-tower size. RAM clearance will be the end of me. I see the appeal of an AIO, even if it is just to avoid all this time wasting!

Some of the 3080 small form factor builds I have seen on reddit look incredible. They probably run cooler than the botched PC I'll end up building!

I've gone AIO myself (my first), Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm. Within spitting distance of the best air coolers on price and a top performer.

Absolutely Clueless · 19 Oct 2020 at 23:29

Mr Oblong said:
I've gone AIO myself (my first), Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280mm. Within spitting distance of the best air coolers on price and a top performer.

Ooo, funny you say that. If I was to go AIO, I think I'd go for that exact one (after watching the Gamers Nexus review recently). Think it's the exact price of the Noctua black version as well - £90.

Mr Oblong · 20 Oct 2020 at 00:10

Absolutely Clueless said:
Ooo, funny you say that. If I was to go AIO, I think I'd go for that exact one (after watching the Gamers Nexus review recently). Think it's the exact price of the Noctua black version as well - £90.

That was the video that made the decision for me. You can save some cash on the 240, but there's some really nice radiator volume on the 280. Air is nice and will last forever without issue, so it's still a fair choice.

Curlyriff · 20 Oct 2020 at 08:21

FoxEye said:
I wouldn't buy a 6-core full stop.

Who'd want a gaming PC with less cores than the next-gen consoles? Yuck.

You mean like most have for the last gen console too which were also 8 core? Yeah okay. Core is irrelevant for that comparison due to the different thermal, clock speed and such forth. You will certainly get more performance out a 6 core desktop to the 8 core console.

Joxeon · 20 Oct 2020 at 09:15

Curlyriff said:
You mean like most have for the last gen console too which were also 8 core? Yeah okay. Core is irrelevant for that comparison due to the different thermal, clock speed and such forth. You will certainly get more performance out a 6 core desktop to the 8 core console.

Its still a lot to pay for 6 core low end chip in 2020 especially when you consider Intel were selling their 6 core flagship chip 3 years ago for only £50 more.

If Rocket lake delivers then this may be going for £200 in 3~4 months time.

clv101 · 20 Oct 2020 at 09:23

Why are people still hung up on 'only 6 cores'? A smaller number of faster cores is better than a larger number of slower cores. Just look at the performance per ££, weighted to your use case (gaming, rendering, compiling etc).

Curlyriff · 20 Oct 2020 at 10:27

Joxeon said:
Its still a lot to pay for 6 core low end chip in 2020 especially when you consider Intel were selling their 6 core flagship chip 3 years ago for only £50 more.

If Rocket lake delivers then this may be going for £200 in 3~4 months time.

Won't dispute that, purely that the core count is irrelevant if the performance is there. I don't expect anyone is really going to see an issue over the next 3 years with 6 cores and gaming if that is all they are doing. And in that time the 8/12/16 core options will drop in price that are plug and play or people will look at their next upgrade by then.

Now the cost of £280 is high in my view because of the margin that it has increased by from previous gen. However I don't see it remaining that price for too long. The current 6 core from Intel is also £240-£260 depending on stock/retailer so there isn't a huge differential there. It would have been great to have had it at the £230 price though and expect in 3 months people will be picking them up for that tbh.

Absolutely Clueless · 20 Oct 2020 at 15:01

Mr Oblong said:
That was the video that made the decision for me. You can save some cash on the 240, but there's some really nice radiator volume on the 280. Air is nice and will last forever without issue, so it's still a fair choice.

280mm is the smallest I'd go for I think. Will have another think as the price is identical to the Noctua...

Firegod · 20 Oct 2020 at 18:10

I know this was posted earlier (perhaps in another thread) but this is reassuring me that the 5600x is the chip for me.

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-vs-intel-core-i5-10600k-benchmarks

I keep a CPU 2-3 years, I don't do any rendering or encoding etc. Like I've said earlier, 6 cores is fine especially for me moving 2600x > 5600x. Reading the link above "the Ryzen 5 5600X was up to 18.8% and 44.6% faster than its previous-gen counterpart." I'm on an even older CPU so for me personally just using SiSoftware as comparison still...

2600X = 181.55GOPS | 358.92Mpix/s
3600X = 214.89GOPS | 625.51Mpix/s
3700X = 281.46GOPS | 856.35Mpix/s (Added for completeness as the thread is 5600X vs 3700X after all but I'm purely focusing on the 6 cores here, but useful to include.)
5600X = 255.22 GOPS | 904.38 Mpix/s

So if my maths is right, going from 2600X > 5600X in this teeny micro test would yield a 40.57% and 151.97% increase! I paid £160, 2 years ago, for the 2600X (so it has cost me 22p a day). Lets assume the 5600X remains £289.99 then that's a £129.99 increase (or 17p a day more if kept for 2 years meaning a daily cost of 39p). For that sort of performance vs price increase, I don't see an issue with that. And if that sort of increase is shown across multiple benchmarks, then sign me up. Keep the more expensive 8 core CPUs for people that actually need the extra cores. I'm looking for best bang for buck vs my 2600X.

Happy days! Roll on the 5th...