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Ryzen 7 1700 vs i7 7700k for gaming

FuF said:
Yeah it makes sense. The main reason why I want to upgrade is the fact that I can see my motherboard kicking the bucket soon (it is quite a middle-range mobo and it has been working overclocked GPU/CPU for quite a few years) and I want to benefit from new features in the motherboard (DDR4 for instance). My finances do not allow me to be on the cutting edge of hardware so I need to make sure my pound goes as far as possible. Decisions decisions! :)
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Bear in mind that AMD's 6c/12t R5 1600 is around £20 cheaper than the 4c/4c i5-7600K right now, and can be overclocked using a mid-range B350 motherboard that'll be cheaper than the Z270 motherboard needed to overclock the i5.
 
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gavinh87 said:
Not for much longer I'd imagine.
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Honestly I can't see Intel reactively changing prices by any great degree (possibly the odd sale aside) at this point - they'll have enough sales momentum to carry it for awhile and by the time decline sets in they'll have a new round of offerings on the table - at which point they will have to make a choice I guess between reducing prices or keeping prices if they can make something with enough of a competitive edge to justify them.

EDIT: They might even hold pricing hoping to encourage AMD to raise their prices more inline.
 
Rroff said:
Honestly I can't see Intel reactively changing prices by any great degree (possibly the odd sale aside) at this point - they'll have enough sales momentum to carry it for awhile and by the time decline sets in they'll have a new round of offerings on the table - at which point they will have to make a choice I guess between reducing prices or keeping prices if they can make something with enough of a competitive edge to justify them.
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Oh that will happen but I also think the bad press they have received with x299 will have an impact aswell.
 
I really don't find the x299 platform enticing at the best of times even if AMD had no offering :s fortunately not planning on replacing my current setup for awhile yet though.
 
Rroff said:
Honestly I can't see Intel reactively changing prices by any great degree (possibly the odd sale aside) at this point - they'll have enough sales momentum to carry it for awhile and by the time decline sets in they'll have a new round of offerings on the table - at which point they will have to make a choice I guess between reducing prices or keeping prices if they can make something with enough of a competitive edge to justify them.

EDIT: They might even hold pricing hoping to encourage AMD to raise their prices more inline.
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the sad thing is that edit line is probably closer to their thinking of late, seems to be the way for a lot of companies which if your in business i get make the most you can but when someone undercuts you rather than compete its a case of try and out pr them and try to play it down.

as for the x299 stuff you all say the mega tasking pr donkey droppings at e3, they are in their own little world it seems. gotta love that one.
 
Radeon85 said:
Interesting video and I hope devs start using the new architecture properly very quickly. But from my own experience of running an 1800x with 3ghz RAM for two weeks and a 7700k with the same 3ghz RAM the 7700k at gaming overall is far better for now at least in games that I've played.

Even going by afterburner frame times graphs the 7700k at 4k maxed out settings with 2x 1080 Ti's the frame times were quite a bit lower in some games and far more consistent.

I only game at 4k now and the difference between the two chips was quite noticeable sometimes.

I originally upgraded from a 4790k to the 1800x and the only reason I tried a 7700k because some games were running worse on the 1800x for me and this was on the same install and a clean install of windows 10.

For a quick test i just took out the 1800x and board, put the Z270 board and 7700k in and on the exact same windows install all my gaming issues had gone. Windows picked up the new hardware, straight into windows and I booted up a few games.

AMD has certainly given Intel a kick up the ass thankfully.

I have no hesitation trying out the 2nd Gen ryzen and hopefully AMD can optimise it better for single threaded performance, and hopefully devs would have had more time to optimise for AMD by then.
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Your experience swayed me to go 7700k@5Ghz for my new W/C Gaming box build Rich, for the games I play I think it'll be overall a better experience. Ryzen will get optimised for over time no doubt though, and I look forward to a possible Zen+ switch in 18 months or so :D :cool:
 
Price to performance ryzen offers amazing performance, no denying that.

But for gaming the 7700k at the moment I find offers me perfect gaming performance. If it's possible to pop in a 6 core coffee lake into the Z270 platform if Intel allow it then I will be extremely happy.

I think the 2nd Gen ryzen will be the best time to switch platforms. Hopefully AMD will improve single core performance closer to kabylake and up the clockspeed a good bit. Plus optimisations for newer games going forward and AMD could have an amazing platform for gaming and workstation use. Intel seems stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment.

Intel really needs to pull off a P4 to core 2 again.
 
Radeon85 said:
Price to performance ryzen offers amazing performance, no denying that.

But for gaming the 7700k at the moment I find offers me perfect gaming performance. If it's possible to pop in a 6 core coffee lake into the Z270 platform if Intel allow it then I will be extremely happy.

I think the 2nd Gen ryzen will be the best time to switch platforms. Hopefully AMD will improve single core performance closer to kabylake and up the clockspeed a good bit. Plus optimisations for newer games going forward and AMD could have an amazing platform for gaming and workstation use. Intel seems stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment.

Intel really needs to pull off a P4 to core 2 again.
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Did you notice a decent difference in frame rates when you switched to the 7700K at the resolutions that you play at, Rad?
 
Some games no but some games I did.

The division loads faster with ryzen but overall runs far smoother on the 7700k, the park extraction I was getting quite a few frame drops on ryzen. 7700k runs silky smooth, the 4790k had no such issues either.

GTA 5 flying was stuttery over the city on the 4790k, 1800x was silky smooth but in the desert my 4790k was silky smooth and the 1800x was running at a lower frame rate around 45 to 50fps and dropping frames. The 7700k is silky smooth everywhere and pushing the 2x 1080 Ti's harder even maxed out at 4k. Odd that as the 1800x and GPU'S had tons of power left to play with.

Beam NG drive runs better on the 7700k but that game is 100% single threaded.

Forza horizon demo ran at a constsnt 60fps maxed out at 4k (no aa) on a single 1080 Ti with my 4790k, the 1800x just couldn't do that. Dipped to the very low 50's a lot of the time. The 7700k the frame rate instantly went back to 60fps and never dropped.

Far cry primal is mainly single threaded but at your main base once the area is heavily populated even the 4790k was struggling to hit 60fps and was usually around the low 50s. The 1800x was worse hitting 43fps. 7700k had no issues maintaining 60fps though. This was also maxed out at 4k.

All this is on the same clean windows install. If gaming is the main priority then the 7700k is the best option for now. Even at 4k the 7700k is pushing my cards harder as it should be.

I have tons of games on steam, origin and uplay but Intel just runs better overall.
 
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Radeon85 said:
Some games no but some games I did.

The division loads faster with ryzen but overall runs far smoother on the 7700k, the park extraction I was getting quite a few frame drops on ryzen. 7700k runs silky smooth, the 4790k had no such issues either.

GTA 5 flying was stuttery over the city on the 4790k, 1800x was silky smooth but in the desert my 4790k was silky smooth and the 1800x was running at a lower frame rate around 45 to 50fps and dropping frames. The 7700k is silky smooth everywhere and pushing the 2x 1080 Ti's harder even maxed out at 4k. Odd that as the 1800x and GPU'S had tons of power left to play with.

Beam NG drive runs better on the 7700k but that game is 100% single threaded.

Forza horizon demo ran at a constsnt 60fps maxed out at 4k (no aa) on a single 1080 Ti with my 4790k, the 1800x just couldn't do that. Dipped to the very low 50's a lot of the time. The 7700k the frame rate instantly went back to 60fps and never dropped.

All this is on the same clean windows install. If gaming is the main priority then the 7700k is the best option for now. Even at 4k the 7700k is pushing my cards harder as it should be.

I have tons of games on steam, origin and uplay but Intel just runs better overall.
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Fair play, forgot you had SLI 1080ti. Plenty of GPU power to work the CPU
 
SLI doesn't seem to play nicely with ryzen.

Considering where AMD came from though they have done an incredible job with ryzen overall. Huge props to those engineers.

Still needs tweaking though but it's so nice to see Intel sweat a bit :D
 
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