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Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D

Will you be purchasing the 7800X3D on the 6th?

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cliffy said:
No you said this

Which definatleyreads like a not so subtle dig at AMD. Just own it dude, your Intel all the way, we all figured it out many moons ago.
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And whats wrong with what i said? Isnt it the actual truth that 2 ccds in some games gimp performance cause the windows scheduler sucks?

I mean the guy I replied to said the fact that star citizen has a problem with e cores is an intel problem, I said the dual ccd issue is a windows problem, but im the biased one? See, thats what im talking about, you are so far gone into fanboyism that it's actually impossible to have a rational conversation.
 
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Motherboard arrived yesterday. Though I have a problem - I took down my favorite CPU's from my intel worship shrine, they won't fit in the motherboard :confused:

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Note the above is a bad joke... :D

Genuine question for the AMD experts/fans here. I notice my motherboard manufactured date is June 2022 - so I assume from the original launch batch (bought from OCUK). This likely means original BIOS.

When I get my 7950x3D, I'm assuming it'll need a BIOS update to be detected/POST. Can I simply use the BIOS flashblack port to update this at the time, or am I best picking up a temporary 7600X to update it properly before hand? This will also allow me the luxury of DOA testing the board/RAM in advance as well as getting to fiddle with AM5, hmm!
 
While the whole 480P/720P CPU benching makes sense, many games do use the CPU for some graphics settings so 1440P/4K results are also needed to get a proper idea.

I think that most reviews focus on average FPS is the bigger problem. If the emphasis was on minimum FPS then the low resolution tests would be less relevant.

Yet, so many reviews either totally or mostly ignore minimum frames. TPU's W1zzard, for instance, writes huge 40+pages reviews and has one page on frametimes.

The other advantage of focus on minimums would be for the, well, less professional reviews who may not even install Windows etc. properly. If they get very bad lows then they'd hopefully look for driver issues, run a DPC latency checker and so on.

Minimum FPS was of course where there 5800X3D shone so that's where I'd expect Zen4 3D to gain the most.

The other advantage of 5800X3D was that it ran well with average memory. The hybrid dual CCD Zen43D might no longer have that advantage.

LtMatt said:
You can use USB Flashback, just need power to the board dont need a CPU installed.
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What I remember from they only time I used over if those USB flashback implementations (in my cases MSI's), is that it wasn't obvious that the CPU and memory needn't be installed, they shouldn't be installed.
 
Bencher said:
Yeah, the game probably ignores the windows scheduler and sends threads to the ecores. You don't need to disable them from the bios though, there are many ways around it
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This has completely fixed the horrendous stuttering I was getting.

Thanks.
 
Bencher said:
And whats wrong with what i said? Isnt it the actual truth that 2 ccds in some games gimp performance cause the windows scheduler sucks?

I mean the guy I replied to said the fact that star citizen has a problem with e cores is an intel problem, I said the dual ccd issue is a windows problem, but im the biased one? See, thats what im talking about, you are so far gone into fanboyism that it's actually impossible to have a rational conversation.
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Because it is an Intel problem, games are having to be individually patched for it, Windows just sees cores, it doesn't care "what type of core" they are, it doesn't even know.
 
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humbug said:
Because it is an Intel problem, games are having to be individually patched for it, Windows just sees cores, it doesn't care "what type of core" they are, it doesn't even know.
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It's as much of an intel problem as the dual CCD is an amd problem. The OS is supposed to be responsible for taking advantage of the hardware you are running it on.

Now in this case, since Star Citizen is the only game I know off that has this problem so yeah.

Funny fact though if as you just claimed (and you are obviously wrong, but let's entertain the thought) windows doesn't know what type of cores, how exactly is it going to send games on the CCD with the 3d cache on the 7950x instead of the CCD without the cache? :confused: :D
 
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Bencher said:
It's as much of an intel problem as the dual CCD is an amd problem. The OS is supposed to be responsible for taking advantage of the hardware you are running it on.

Now in this case, since Star Citizen is the only game I know off that has this problem so yeah.

Funny fact though if as you just claimed (and you are obviously wrong, but let's entertain the thought) windows doesn't know what type of cores, how exactly is it going to send games on the CCD with the 3d cache on the 7950x instead of the CCD without the cache? :confused: :D
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It's as much of an intel problem as the dual CCD is an amd problem.
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Only Zen 1 Threadripper.

Star Citizen doesn't have any problems with Ryzen CPU's, Multi CCD or not.

Games listed that had the same issue, Ryzen didn't have any problems with any of these either.

Windows 11​


  • Anthem
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  • Football Manager 2019
  • Football Manager Touch 2019
  • Football Manager 2020
  • Football Manager Touch 2020
  • Legend of Mana
  • Mortal Kombat 11
  • Tony Hawks Pro Skater 1 and 2
  • Warhammer I
  • Assassin's Creed: Valhalla
  • Far Cry Primal
  • Fernbus Simulator
  • For Honor
  • Lost in Random
  • Madden 22
  • Maneater
  • Need for Speed - Hot Pursuit Remastered
  • Sea of Solitude
  • Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order
  • Tourist Bus Simulator

Windows 10​


  • All of the above games, plus
  • Ace Combat 7
  • Assassins Creed Odyssey
  • Assassins Creed Origins
  • Code Vein
  • eFootball 2021
  • F1 2019
  • Far Cry New Dawn
  • FIFA 19
  • FIFA 20
  • Football Manager 2021
  • Football Manager Touch 2021
  • Ghost Recon Breakpoint
  • Ghost Recon Wildlands
  • Immortals Fenyx Rising
  • Just Cause 4
  • Life is Strange 2
  • Madden 21
  • Monopoly Plus
  • Need For Speed Heat
  • Scott Pilgrim vs The World
  • Shadow of the Tomb Raider
  • Shinobi Striker
  • Soulcalibur VI
  • Starlink
  • Team Sonic Racing
  • Total War Saga - Three Kingdoms
  • Train Sim World
  • Train Sim World 2
  • Wolfenstein Youngblood
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humbug said:
Only Zen 1 Threadripper.

Star Citizen doesn't have any problems with Ryzen CPU's, Multi CCD or not.

Games listed that had the same issue, Ryzen didn't have any problems with any of these either.
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The issue in star citrizzen has nothing to do with the issues in the games you listed. The list above is due to denuvo DRM. That was patched like a year ago.

Riftbreakers has an actual problem with dual CCD's, as many more games. This is from techspots review

The Riftbreaker data is interesting as the 7950X was actually 6% slower than the 7600X here. This appears to be an issue with 2 CCD Zen 4 processors as we've also seen this frame rate decline with the 7900X. AMD is aware of this and are in contact with the developer to see if there's a solution, so this small performance issue might be rectified shortly.

Damage control at it's finest, bleeding amd ;p
 
Bencher said:
The issue in star citrizzen has nothing to do with the issues in the games you listed. The list above is due to denuvo DRM. That was patched like a year ago.

Riftbreakers has an actual problem with dual CCD's, as many more games. This is from techspots review

The Riftbreaker data is interesting as the 7950X was actually 6% slower than the 7600X here. This appears to be an issue with 2 CCD Zen 4 processors as we've also seen this frame rate decline with the 7900X. AMD is aware of this and are in contact with the developer to see if there's a solution, so this small performance issue might be rectified shortly.

Damage control at it's finest, bleeding amd ;p
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Dual CCD Rysen chips being a little slower in game than single CCD is not too uncommon, its was the same with Zen 3, the 5900/5950 were sometime a little slower than the 5800X, which i have always argued was a better gaming CPU than those other two.

A slight regression in performance is not the same thing the problem with the E-Core Intel CPU's, that being unplayable stuttering, which was not exclusively Denuvo.
 
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humbug said:
Dual CCD Rysen chips being a little slower in game than single CCD is not too uncommon, its was the same with Zen 3, the 5900/5950 were sometime a little slower than the 5800X, which i have always argued was a better gaming CPU than those other two.

A slight regression in performance is not the same thing the problem with the E-Core Intel CPU's, that being unplayable stuttering, which was not exclusively Denuvo.
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Why are you lying for AMD? ALL the games in the list you posted had Denuvo issues. Here is the list

mspoweruser.com

Intel's e-Cores on their Alder Lake processors is triggering games DRM

It seems Intel’s new little.Big processor technology in their 12th Gen Alder Lake processors is not sitting well with the DRM system used by a large number of games. The company has published a list of games where the processors trigger the Denuvo DRM system in the games and prevent them from...
mspoweruser.com

That issue was fixed immediately after release. It has nothing to do with star citizen. No game had unpayable stuttering from that list, they just werent launching for 2 weeks until the patch was released. Star citizen is unique, it's the only game that doesn't like ecores, and obviously tehre is something wrong with specifically that game, else we would see the same behavior in other games, but we don't.

The amount of misinformation, always against intel in this forum, is astounding. One guy says the 12900k gets half the framerate in valorant, the other one that games are stuttering like crazy. LOL
 
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Bencher said:
Why are you lying for AMD? ALL the games in the list you posted had Denuvo issues. Here is the list

mspoweruser.com

Intel's e-Cores on their Alder Lake processors is triggering games DRM

It seems Intel’s new little.Big processor technology in their 12th Gen Alder Lake processors is not sitting well with the DRM system used by a large number of games. The company has published a list of games where the processors trigger the Denuvo DRM system in the games and prevent them from...
mspoweruser.com

That issue was fixed immediately after release. It has nothing to do with star citizen. No game had unpayable stuttering from that list, they just werent launching for 2 weeks until the patch was released. Star citizen is unique, it's the only game that doesn't like ecores, and obviously tehre is something wrong with specifically that game, else we would see the same behavior in other games, but we don't.

The amount of misinformation, always against intel in this forum, is astounding. One guy says the 12900k gets half the framerate in valorant, the other one that games are stuttering like crazy. LOL
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Can you go and play in the Intel threads please, I;m looking for news about Zen 4 3D, your one sided pro Intel BS is getting in the way of that
 
The only thing that concerns me with the 7000 series X3D chips is that the original 5800X3D was more sensitive to temperatures and put out more heat than a regular 5800X and that was with a non-scuffed thick a$$ IHS
 
Andromeda1983 said:
The only thing that concerns me with the 7000 series X3D chips is that the original 5800X3D was more sensitive to temperatures and put out more heat than a regular 5800X and that was with a non-scuffed thick a$$ IHS
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It’s why I’m putting a big AIO on mine. The TDP is starting from a lower point which will also help.
 
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