Poll: Ryzen 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D

[humbug]

The average of that screen shot across those 4 games is +14% vs the 13900K

That's roughly about what i'm expecting as its more or less in line with the 5800X3D vs 5950X given the 13900K is 4% faster than the 7700X.

Depending on whose testing.... for the 5800X3D TPU resulted +10% vs the 5950X, they used an RTX 3080 10GB (why would you not use the 3090Ti?)
TechSpot (AKA Hardware Unboxed) did use the 3090Ti and got +19% vs 5950X, after they tested it again with the 4090 they got +23% vs 5950X.

 

[Deleted member 258511]

The guy has always been an AMD shill and he comes across as quite irritating sometimes. It will be some performance uplift in some games, hit & miss in other words, just like 5800x3D surely?

Yep. 30% is crazy though when you look at the 13900k. Also look at how closely priced the new 3d CPU’s are compared to the non 3d’s out now. That would be a 40-50% gain over the non 3d AMD CPU’s.

It’s not going to happen.

 

[Dave2150]

Do you have any other examples of that or are you just trying to define 1 outlier game with a possible optimization issue as "modern games"?

Far Cry 6, Spider-Man Remastered and Elden Ring. At 4k with 4090, turning on RT seems to really stress the CPU in general, meaning 6 core CPU's just aren't good enough.

Note, for the money, the 7600 I have is an excellent CPU. I just bought it to DOA test my AM5 gear ahead of the X3D launch in a few weeks

 

[welshrat]

Far Cry 6, Spider-Man Remastered and Elden Ring. At 4k with 4090, turning on RT seems to really stress the CPU in general, meaning 6 core CPU's just aren't good enough.

Note, for the money, the 7600 I have is an excellent CPU. I just bought it to DOA test my AM5 gear ahead of the X3D launch in a few weeks

But you are right. 8 cores really is becoming the minimum.

 

[humbug]

FC6 does not stress the CPU Good grief... i've seen my CPU loaded higher with 10 year old DX11 games... FC6 is a lot of things, but high stress on the CPU is defiantly not one of them.

 

[Dave2150]

FC6 does not stress the CPU Good grief... i've seen my CPU loaded higher with 10 year old DX11 games... FC6 is a lot of things, but high stress on the CPU is defiantly not one of them.

Tried it at 4k ultra, RT enabled, on a 4090? My 7600 bottlenecks, though as mentioned before, only a temporary CPU

 

[humbug]

But you are right. 8 cores really is becoming the minimum.

What i would say is you shouldn't be pairing a 6 core CPU with the highest end GPU's, but that been true for years.

8 core minimum if you're going that rout.

 

[Grim5]

If people believe Moore’s Law Is Dead then you are looking at 30% improvement over Intel in gaming.

I can’t watch YouTube anymore. There are actually people believing this.

I call him out when I can but most that watch his channel are blind believers that hang on his every word

 

[humbug]

What i would say is you shouldn't be pairing a 6 core CPU with the highest end GPU's, but that been true for years.

8 core minimum if you're going that rout.

One thing i would add to this, and i'm going to upset a lot of people when i say this... especially if that GPU is an Nvidia one, due to the way Nvidia do thread scheduling the load on the CPU is very much higher with an Nvidia GPU than it is with an AMD one...

 

[FredFlint]

One thing i would add to this, and i'm going to upset a lot of people when i say this... especially if that GPU is an Nvidia one, due to the way Nvidia do thread scheduling the load on the CPU is very much higher with an Nvidia GPU than it is with an AMD one...

I though NV had hardware scheduling now, seem to remember someone saying the driver had a toggle for it. NV did a good job of leveraging extra underutilized cores to improve GPU performance. Now that CPU's are more loaded its less optimal but it was still cool from a programming point of view.

 

[Deleted member 258511]

I call him out when I can but most that watch his channel are blind believers that hang on his every word

I understand that this sort of thing is going to bring more views, but this guy seems to really believe what he’s saying. And the majority seem to
agree with him.

 

[LtMatt]

Yep. 30% is crazy though when you look at the 13900k. Also look at how closely priced the new 3d CPU’s are compared to the non 3d’s out now. That would be a 40-50% gain over the non 3d AMD CPU’s.

It’s not going to happen.

Do you have an actual clip where he says this out of interest?

 

[Deleted member 258511]

Do you have an actual clip where he says this out of interest?

18:48 approximately.

Zen 4 X3D Pricing, Nvidia AD107 & AD106, AMD Q4 Earnings, Intel A770 in 2023 | January Loose Ends

Tom answers LIVE Q&A Regarding the R9 7950X3D, ARC, Lovelace, Q1 Sales, and more![SPON: Check out Micro Center’s Custom PC Builder: https://micro.center/ahs ...

m.youtube.com

 

[muon]

Have you actually tried using a 7600 or 7600X with a 4090 in modern games? I have, here's Cyberpunk 2077 on my 7600 and 4090:



6 cores are not enough for smooth gameplay in modern games with a good GPU, that's at 4K.

Something isn't quite right there. Also why is your network connection under a not insignificant constant load?

A 7600X being maxed out (actually pegged at 100%) at 55 fps? The graph looks more like a CPU load than a gaming load.

edit:

RTX 4090 FE | Ryzen 5 7600X | CYBERPUNK 2077 | RT PSYCHO | 3440x1440p Ultrawide | Benchmark

Cyberpunk 2077 In game benchmark with RTX 4090.RTX 4090 FE 24GBRyzen 5 7600X 5.5 GhzGskill Trident z5 rgb 16x2gb 6000mhz cl 30-40-40-96 Dual Rank RAMDeepcool...

www.youtube.com

 

[Grim5]

Do you have an actual clip where he says this out of interest?

Here, he says 13900ks will lose by 30% in gaming to the 7950x3d and he also claimed the 7950x3d has the same multithreading performance as the 13900ks

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622146853520429056

 

[Deleted member 258511]

Here, he says 13900ks will lose by 30% in gaming to the 7950x3d and he also claimed the 7950x3d has the same multithreading performance as the 13900ks

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622146853520429056

That guy is just as bad with Intel.

 

[muon]

These channels only started like a few years ago where they base everything on apparent 'tips' they receive. The trend was started by that Adored TV guy and they are almost always wrong. The problem is that youtube is all about getting clicks and views.

 

[LtMatt]

Here, he says 13900ks will lose by 30% in gaming to the 7950x3d and he also claimed the 7950x3d has the same multithreading performance as the 13900ks

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622146853520429056

Whilst I am sure MLID chats BS, that video you linked also has a 13900K at 25% faster than 7950X, which is equally just as BS.

 

[Deleted member 258511]

Here, he says 13900ks will lose by 30% in gaming to the 7950x3d and he also claimed the 7950x3d has the same multithreading performance as the 13900ks

https://twitter.com/x/status/1622146853520429056

I’ve just watched the majority of this video. He has some valid points, but i don’t think the reason he’s never went into depth with overclocking etc is because people wouldn’t watch them. The have a feeling he’s not as clued up
As he likes to make people believe which is why he sticks to the Warzone click bait style videos. I watched a 3090 undervolt clip of his once and he seemed to struggle with certain things.

 

[humbug]

I though NV had hardware scheduling now, seem to remember someone saying the driver had a toggle for it. NV did a good job of leveraging extra underutilized cores to improve GPU performance. Now that CPU's are more loaded its less optimal but it was still cool from a programming point of view.

The whole thing needs retesting but there is still a visible difference in CPU scaling AMD vs Nvidia.....

I would like to see it retested.

There is a 10% better scaling here on the AMD GPU. Its not 30% but its still there and we don't know if that's a CPU scaling limitation or the limit of the 6950XT