Ryzen ClockTuner

xb8browney · 2 Oct 2020 at 11:12

Mine wasn't stable, as soon as I started folding it crashed.

bimbleuk · 2 Oct 2020 at 11:12

Another silver 3900X here and very similar to Brizzles results.

Asus X570 motherboard initial run showed some LLC warnings during the diagnostics phase but no issues. Cores were spread from 4250 to 4375.

Change to LLC4 in BIOS and warning went away, vdroop dropped to ~1.5% however the core spread closed up with a tighter average but less peak on the two best cores. The CB20 score did go up however and the temps were lower and more stable like many have found.

So seems like a good daily profile to run BUT I will also run the 3900X in Gamer Mode as that disables 6 cores and single core performance improves. The two best CCXs are the ones left enabled in Gamer Mode from what I can see.

Benchmark after enabling LLC4 in BIOS

Relentless81 · 2 Oct 2020 at 11:16

Mine just finished and the tuned score is lower than the default score, not sure I'm going to bother still trying to understand the results and what its actually done

ShortWarning · 2 Oct 2020 at 12:24

I must have a really duff chip. Has to overvolt to hit under the advertised speeds but I do get a 200 point increase in cinebench.

Joxeon · 2 Oct 2020 at 12:38

Relentless81 said:
The bug is fixed in Beta 3 that caused the Reference 6000+ mhz issue

Unfortunately rating my 3600 as Platinum was also a bug because its just run Diagnostic and now its Bronze!

Recommended values for OC are -

4GHZ @ 1250mV

Undervolt -

3850mhz at 1175mV

How do you pick which one you want OC or UV before hitting start and is it even worth it!?

You just configure the voltage you want. Also the 1250 and 1175 are just references you can key in whatever voltage you like up to 1375, I went for 1350 for mine as all I usually do is game.

Relentless81 · 2 Oct 2020 at 14:41

Joxeon said:
You just configure the voltage you want. Also the 1250 and 1175 are just references you can key in whatever voltage you like up to 1375, I went for 1350 for mine as all I usually do is game.

Thanks but I'll admit I'm completely lost, if I up the voltage will the clocks increase automatically or do I need to do that to? If that's the case I might as well just do it in the BIOS manually

I think I'm missing something obvious but won't have time to tinker this weekend so will have to leave it until next now

Joxeon · 2 Oct 2020 at 14:50

Relentless81 said:
Thanks but I'll admit I'm completely lost, if I up the voltage will the clocks increase automatically or do I need to do that to? If that's the case I might as well just do it in the BIOS manually

I think I'm missing something obvious but won't have time to tinker this weekend so will have to leave it until next now

You just set the min and max clocks and your preferred voltage and the program will push the clocks up in increments while testing for stability till it finds the maximum stable clocks for the voltage you entered.

For min something like 3900
For max go with 4600
Then just key in how much voltage you want and it will find the max stable clocks for that voltage. The higher the voltage you key in then the higher the clocks it will spit out etc.

Ico · 2 Oct 2020 at 19:54

Hi all
need to be explained some things im not overclocker so be gentle please. Question is if its difference between RCT and manual oc when im doing it myself. RCT tool found best frequency and voltage with which im happy. Tool after updates isnt good now i want get rid of it. So if i apply manual overclock to desired frequency and voltage its done and its same like RCT or ineed setup more parameters. Thank you for any input

bimbleuk · 3 Oct 2020 at 08:33

Just tried Beta 3. Appears a bit more aggressive on the clocks despite a note saying the LLC warnings would be less frequent I had my first reboot with ASUS - LLC3.

Went back to LLC4 which is a bit more aggressive and ran through the process. Previously the LLC 4 gave a more balanced core OC but this time it kept upping the CCX clocks until each block failed. Ended up with the improvements below.

CCX1 4275 - 4400
CCX2 4275 - 4400
CCX3 4275 - 4300
CCX4 4250 - 4250 (Lame!)

1.256 vcore

CB20 score went from 7553 - 7665 on my 3900X (silver)

Now running some game benchmark loops to verify the stability.

Notime4games · 3 Oct 2020 at 08:56

chaosophy said:
Yeah, seen a lot of peeps with Aorus boards and 3900X's that are having issues with hard resets.

The core tags error I think is normally to do with needing to delete your System event log.

I'm guessing it is reading EventID 55 from there and using those to populate the scores next to each core.
If the numbers to the right of the frequency on each core are showing 100 (or possibly 0 or not there) then you'll need to clear the system event log and reboot.
If you check that log after reboot and look for EvenID 55 from Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-Processor-Power you should see one for each logical thread.
The line/value I think the tool uses is...

"Maximum performance percentage: 160"

As the numbers match up. Mine go from 122 to 160.

I guess these are passed to the o/s from the CPU/BIOS so windows can do it's scheduling to preferred cores etc but no idea when the are generated or if they are hard coded at the factory?

It looks like CTR gets the wrong values if the o/s was previously booted on different hardware, my guess it is it just reads the event log from oldest entry forward, when it should probably do it from newest backwards, possibly using system uptime - current time to narrow the search.

@chaosophy I have a similar setup (Ryzen 3900xt, Aorus Elite x570 w/ F30 bios, stable 32gb Crucial Ballistix) and have the same experience with CTR. I've tried various LLC settings and all 3 Beta versions of CTR, and followed all the instructions. The Diagnostic goes smoothly, says I have a Gold sample, but then it always fails on Step 3 after hitting Start.

Notime4games · 3 Oct 2020 at 09:03

Brizzles said:
No success here with 3900X / Giga Aorus Elite X570 / F30 Bios

1 diagnosis shows a Platinum chip, then another changes to a Silver chip.

CB20 score gives 7050 as the baseline CTR test ( i run a slight undervolt and get 7300 normally )

Hard shutdown during 'tuning'

Will wait for the software to mature before trying again.

@Brizzles What did you change to get it to stop hard crashing during the tuning? I have a very similar setup. Thanks

gpuerrilla · 3 Oct 2020 at 12:59

bimbleuk said:
Just tried Beta 3. Appears a bit more aggressive on the clocks despite a note saying the LLC warnings would be less frequent I had my first reboot with ASUS - LLC3.

Went back to LLC4 which is a bit more aggressive and ran through the process. Previously the LLC 4 gave a more balanced core OC but this time it kept upping the CCX clocks until each block failed. Ended up with the improvements below.

CCX1 4275 - 4400
CCX2 4275 - 4400
CCX3 4275 - 4300
CCX4 4250 - 4250 (Lame!)

1.256 vcore

CB20 score went from 7553 - 7665 on my 3900X (silver)

Now running some game benchmark loops to verify the stability.

On Beta 1 it spammed the low LLC even though I had this set to High in the Asus BIOS, maybe it was just not working correctly? My BIOS doesnt have 4 or 3 so I am guessing 4 would be max and 3 would be high?

bimbleuk · 3 Oct 2020 at 14:16

Th0nt said:
On Beta 1 it spammed the low LLC even though I had this set to High in the Asus BIOS, maybe it was just not working correctly? My BIOS doesnt have 4 or 3 so I am guessing 4 would be max and 3 would be high?

So LLC is to counter voltage drop under load so high should be more voltage and in newer Asus BIOSs the higher numbers mean more voltage (1 to 5). I believe there other options to mess with this but I've not played with them. LLC 4 was the setting that stopped the LLC warnings and reduce droop to 1.5% which was half that of the auto setting which seemed good enough. Too high a setting can overshoot and use excessive power which is as bad as too much droop causing random crashes.

If you can get the diagnostics mode running with the BIOS set to default it should estimate the v-droop in percentage and give LLC warnings after a few voltage reduction steps. Then see if you can set a BIOS option that reduces the percentage drop or removes the LLC warnings.

I'm no expert but maybe increasing the default voltage (vcore) to say 1.3 (1300mV) might also help with stability. You may have to play but with small increments.

bimbleuk · 3 Oct 2020 at 14:20

Notime4games said:
@chaosophy I have a similar setup (Ryzen 3900xt, Aorus Elite x570 w/ F30 bios, stable 32gb Crucial Ballistix) and have the same experience with CTR. I've tried various LLC settings and all 3 Beta versions of CTR, and followed all the instructions. The Diagnostic goes smoothly, says I have a Gold sample, but then it always fails on Step 3 after hitting Start.

Also disable any monitoring software as I had HWiNFO64 interfere with beta 2 and I disable CAM just in case.

Oh and yeah buggy software as it doesn't always auto start when set to do so a minor thing but annoying.

bimbleuk · 3 Oct 2020 at 15:05

I don't usually play with the minutiae but that core spread on my result bugged me a bit so according to the Guru3D article +.25mV should net +50Hz on a core so I set my target to 1275mV and manually set my CCX frequencies (edit profile). Really just to bring up that lame CCX and see if it worked which it did. Just need to game again for a bit to test stability.

LLC4 - B2 - B3 - B3 (+25mV)
CCX1 4275 - 4400 - 4400
CCX2 4275 - 4400 - 4400
CCX3 4275 - 4300 - 4300
CCX4 4250 - 4250 - 4300

1275mV

CB20 score went from 7553 - 7665 - 7711 on my 3900X (silver)

gpuerrilla · 3 Oct 2020 at 15:05

bimbleuk said:
So LLC is to counter voltage drop under load so high should be more voltage and in newer Asus BIOSs the higher numbers mean more voltage (1 to 5). I believe there other options to mess with this but I've not played with them. LLC 4 was the setting that stopped the LLC warnings and reduce droop to 1.5% which was half that of the auto setting which seemed good enough. Too high a setting can overshoot and use excessive power which is as bad as too much droop causing random crashes.

If you can get the diagnostics mode running with the BIOS set to default it should estimate the v-droop in percentage and give LLC warnings after a few voltage reduction steps. Then see if you can set a BIOS option that reduces the percentage drop or removes the LLC warnings.

I'm no expert but maybe increasing the default voltage (vcore) to say 1.3 (1300mV) might also help with stability. You may have to play but with small increments.

Thanks for the tips. The developer said in one of the logs it was not meant to be in it so I used the BEta 3v and it never said it once. I put the LLC levels in BIOS to Normal so it completed fine I guess nothing to worry about.

My CPU is a bronze though so its never going to clock as well as the newer ones. It runs over 10c cooler on the stress tests which I am happier with tbh whilst scoring a tad more than stock on CB.

Brizzles · 3 Oct 2020 at 15:45

Notime4games said:
@Brizzles What did you change to get it to stop hard crashing during the tuning? I have a very similar setup. Thanks

Used the 2nd beta version and it worked

welshrat · 3 Oct 2020 at 16:13

Ok I have had a little play with this, I can get my 3700X to 4200Mhz on 1.3Volts. To be honest that will do me but I am just wondering if its worth going any higher and what people thoughts on a solid day to day voltage should be ?

Awahwah · 3 Oct 2020 at 17:06

Some say 1.3v is too much for daily usage. Personally, I would not run mine at that but I'm sure others will post.

welshrat · 3 Oct 2020 at 17:55

Awahwah said:
Some say 1.3v is too much for daily usage. Personally, I would not run mine at that but I'm sure others will post.

Thing is it's not constant at 1.3 that's just it's upper limit. It still downclocks to 1v and sleeps cores etc. So just unsure if 1.3 is too much when all cores are at 4.2ghz