Poll: Sack Race 2015/16
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Excuse me?
Oh, I thought you were trolling me by intentionally posting it in the wrong thread. I was about to suspend you for it too 
I think he's a **** but see below.
Yep, he's JM's pet dog. You have to add some context to what he reports though as he'll report what JM wants reporting not necessarily what's happening.
I think he's a **** but see below.
Yep, he's JM's pet dog. You have to add some context to what he reports though as he'll report what JM wants reporting not necessarily what's happening.
Slightly random thoughts but seemed the best place for them. Looking at the MU bench earlier today I was thinking that because Giggs retired from playing quite late he's actually fairly 'old' for someone who has never held a permanent managerial position. He'll be 43 this year and when you look at most of the fashionable managers these days i.e. Mourinho / Guardiola / Simeone / Ancelotti / Klopp etc they had all got their feet under the table at a reasonably big club by that point.
I know he's been groomed at OT but I guess where I'm coming from is that he probably needs to take on a job fairly soon. If MU were to replace LVG with another manager then I think he may need to step away from the club and learn his trade somewhere else (assuming he wants to be a manager, of course).
I know he's been groomed at OT but I guess where I'm coming from is that he probably needs to take on a job fairly soon. If MU were to replace LVG with another manager then I think he may need to step away from the club and learn his trade somewhere else (assuming he wants to be a manager, of course).
Woke up expecting him to be gone. WTF are United dithering about. At this point they could give the job to scholes or Mr Bean and end up in a position about the same. Although I am hoping they give it to Giggs, imagine how bad he would have to be for them to grow a pair and sack him.
I think this is what most united fans fear is happening deep down. We haven't sacked lvg when literally any other club in the league would have and there are no signs we are going to. If giggs does get the job I can see at least 2 more years of **** before we are allowed to end that project and by that time we will be solidly mid table and our few top players will have left a sinking ship. Will DDG and martial stick around until we happen to unwittingly appoint a good manager. No.
I really hope that we have a plan already and that it isn't just to wait until the end of the season and see who is about. We could still get CL by winning the Europa but we haven't got a hope in hell of doing that with this clown in charge.
I have no faith in Woodward but the reality is there are very solid sources reporting we're talking to Mourinho about taking over. The club could easily come out and deny the reports to help LvG, but they've done nothing of the sort. I think the long term approach will be abandoned and we'll start our plans again with Mourinho.
The issue is all about timing now. I think we should get rid of LvG and get Warren Joyce in, if no Mourinho (for now), as he's very highly regarded at U21 level.
The issue is all about timing now. I think we should get rid of LvG and get Warren Joyce in, if no Mourinho (for now), as he's very highly regarded at U21 level.
See I don't get that. According to what LVG is saying the club are telling him they have not made contact. So LVG seems quite confident to believe them. Why would they not tell him they are considering their options, because we all know he would walk anyway and get nothing. So why are they lieing to him if these solid sources are true.
Yes he needs sacking but that's pretty ***** if they are also lieing to him if he's asking a straight question. All they have to say is they are talking to other parties as they normally would and he would walk.
Looking at the quotes, it seems that LvG hasn't asked them about it, and they haven't mentioned it to him. There has been a lot of stuff said and written about it all, it's not always clear.
It was this comment that would suggest to me he's asked them...
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35562445
Asked whether he thought there had been talks, Van Gaal said: "In football that is possible, but I do not think that."
He said he "had a relationship" with chief executive Ed Woodward and owners the Glazers and "they would tell me".
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35562445
Asked whether he thought there had been talks, Van Gaal said: "In football that is possible, but I do not think that."
He said he "had a relationship" with chief executive Ed Woodward and owners the Glazers and "they would tell me".
People need to remember the circumstances around Moyes' sacking. There was a lot of reports at the time that Utd waited until it was mathematically impossible for them to make the top 4 before sacking him to avoid paying him more than a years salary.
It's very possible that the same approach could be being taken now and or they believe they'll be in a better position to appoint a new manager in the summer.
Sacking him and giving it to Giggs until the summer is potentially dangerous. I remember talking about the dangers of us sacking Hodgson when Dalglish was the only alternative - if he done well then the clamour from the fans for him to get the job full time will be impossible to ignore and that he wasn't the best long term appointment. Sure enough Dalglish done well and the fans wanted him to be given the job (myself included despite my previous fears) and it wasn't the right decision in hindsight. If Giggs done well the club might find themselves in a position where they have to give him the job long term and even if they resisted that temptation, the shadow of Giggs would then be hanging over whoever got the job which could be problematic if they don't hit the ground running.
It's very possible that the same approach could be being taken now and or they believe they'll be in a better position to appoint a new manager in the summer.
Sacking him and giving it to Giggs until the summer is potentially dangerous. I remember talking about the dangers of us sacking Hodgson when Dalglish was the only alternative - if he done well then the clamour from the fans for him to get the job full time will be impossible to ignore and that he wasn't the best long term appointment. Sure enough Dalglish done well and the fans wanted him to be given the job (myself included despite my previous fears) and it wasn't the right decision in hindsight. If Giggs done well the club might find themselves in a position where they have to give him the job long term and even if they resisted that temptation, the shadow of Giggs would then be hanging over whoever got the job which could be problematic if they don't hit the ground running.
Really? That's proper mad.
Surely this would only be applicable if LvG had a long contract like Moyes (who had 5 1/2 years still to run on his contract).
LvG has just over 12 months left to run anyway, and surely that's likely to be paid anyway - for non-disclosure reasons etc?
Its highly unlikely anyway, but if Utd have any chance of top 4 they HAVE to beat Arsenal at the end of Feb (well to be fair they have to win all the games over Spurs , Arsenal , City at the very least just to claw points back), and the only chance of doing that is with the new manager boost that happens to most teams when a new appointment comes in.
Just from a business point of view, Utd will lose more income from not being in the CL next season/ ie by staying with LvG - than they will by paying the extra wages to pay Lvg's contract out early (because of his comparatively short contract compared to Moyes)
edit - and while its possible, imo its highly unrealistic to expect Utd to win the Europa and get into the CL that way
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I'm almost certain that paying out LvG's contract has little to do with why he's still in charge; I can't imagine many people actually think we will actually get top 4 now and everything they do now must surely be in preparation for next season.
I suspect that either the board or Mourinho himself do not want to take over until either the end of the season or it's at a point that Jose can't be expected to achieve anything, as if he were to come in now some people would still expect him to achieve a CL spot.
Either that or Woodward is so genuinely incompetent that he's now aimlessly chasing Pochettino instead of just appointing someone who could actually make the team competitive again and has the personality and clout to bring in players despite having no CL football.
Have to admit that while I still don't really want him as our manager, one of his biggest flaw matters little currently as it's not like LvG has been that good for our youth system either, most of the u18/21 players we've called up have been down to pure necessity rather than their actual quality, or he's gone with midfielders playing out of position while he ships out actual talented young players (Welbeck, Thorpe, Keane etc)
I suspect that either the board or Mourinho himself do not want to take over until either the end of the season or it's at a point that Jose can't be expected to achieve anything, as if he were to come in now some people would still expect him to achieve a CL spot.
Either that or Woodward is so genuinely incompetent that he's now aimlessly chasing Pochettino instead of just appointing someone who could actually make the team competitive again and has the personality and clout to bring in players despite having no CL football.
Have to admit that while I still don't really want him as our manager, one of his biggest flaw matters little currently as it's not like LvG has been that good for our youth system either, most of the u18/21 players we've called up have been down to pure necessity rather than their actual quality, or he's gone with midfielders playing out of position while he ships out actual talented young players (Welbeck, Thorpe, Keane etc)
I was using the, reported, terms of Moyes' contract as an example. For all we know it could be written into LvG's contract that failure to make the CL would enable Utd to sack him without any payoff at all and or he could have a fixed fee that he receives in the event he's sacked which could be greater than the amount left on his deal. I was simply speculating.
That assumes that Utd will definitely qualify for the CL without LvG.