Rugby is betterYou forgot football.
Salman Rushdie attacked
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So your google fu managed to drag up one person "because of trump" posssibly/maybe/but probably not likely. And your comparing that to Islam? /golfclap
Extreme forms of Islam are, of course, just people following Islam. Most forms of Islam for instance consider death to be the appropriate punishment for blasphemy.
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lol
There was a guy the other day got killed by armed forces because of the Trump raid for gods sake. What is wrong with you people?
Armed FBI attacker shot dead by police believed to be enraged Trump supporter
Ricky Shiffer appears to have posted about Mar-a-Lago raid on Trump platform Truth Social, and may have been at Capitol riotwww.theguardian.com
International Business Times: How Many People Has ISIS Killed? Terrorist Attacks Linked to Islamic State Have Caused 33,000 Deaths | START.umd.edu
This article from the International Business Times quotes researcher Erin Miller and mentions data from START's latest background report on ISIL and the Global Terrorism Database.
Spoiler alert: 33,000
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Wheres that goalpost moving gif?
Whose the one comparing Islamic terrorists to Trump? You've got 1 death (his own) and a very tenuous link to another
Having a bit of a mare here aren't you
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Not me. Im not the deluded one here. I accept there are both crazy muslims and crazy Trump supporters trying to kill innocent people often.
This is what extemist do.
This is what extemist do.
There are a couple of hundred crazy Trump supporters in America who would be willing to commit violence in a country of 350 million people. The amount of deaths linked to Islamic terrorism is probably a thousand times that.
Rugby is better
Aah, but we are talking being divisive where everybody knows Rugby unites not divides.
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Ah there it is.
Nobody should be killing anyone in the name of a cause.
When we think of a free society then we have to think of the person whose views we don't like the most being allowed to say them. If we don't then we're on the same road this guy was on.
When we think of a free society then we have to think of the person whose views we don't like the most being allowed to say them. If we don't then we're on the same road this guy was on.
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I am unsure just what you are asking me here? What punishment would I like to see for attempted murder? What's my opinion of Rushdie? (I think I covered that briefly in a previous post).
Whilst I think far harsher punishments for drug users would be useful, my call for the most Draconian action would be against drug *dealers*, but let's not drag this thread over there.
Again with the exaggeration, you've got one verifiable death in the 7 odd years since trump came into focus, if this is often in your world I dread to think what you make of something that seems to happen every few months.
Unfortunately extremists dont think like that.
Deaths caused by Islamic terror in the past 20 odd years are around 150,000. Remember these are strictly terrorist attacks, the scale of it is actually quite mental.
I believe extremist Christianity is currently held back as most adherents with any wealth and power live in democratic countries (I want to keep it that way, I know they are recently trying their best to undo progress, see the USA).
However, obviously Islamic fundamentalism is causing many more problems now. Over the course of history backwards values and religious fundamentalism of all kinds have caused much bloodshed, Christianity included.
There was a time where the Arab world was rather more advanced than the Western one. For instance the scientist Ibn Al-Haytham was the father of optics. We use Hindu-Arabic numerals in mathematics in the West for a reason and the Islamic/Arab world were the pioneers of algebra. Also, religious freedom was protected and the Islamic world was relatively liberal and tolerant in the Ottoman Empire (at least in the early/mid period). I am not saying it was good by modern standards, I am talking relatively.
I deplore intolerance and backwards values of all kinds wherever they come from, I do not have a romantic view of the past and want us to always strive to improve and go forth in a positive direction which is why I am a progressive.
I hope Salman recovers quickly, I very much support and admire his principled stance on freedom of expression and I applaud him for his courage.
Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia
Ibn al-Haytham - Wikipedia
Islam and Toleration: Studying the Ottoman Imperial Model on JSTOR
Karen Barkey, Islam and Toleration: Studying the Ottoman Imperial Model, International Journal of Politics, Culture, and Society, Vol. 19, No. 1/2, The New Sociological Imagination II (Dec., 2005), pp. 5-19
www.jstor.org
No because I condemn regressive values of all kinds, I am consistent and I am not excusing them.Is this the "whataboutery" expert fresh through the station turnstile?
Before being barred from the (only certain) Speaker's Corner, "whataboutery" was deemed anathema.
Good people take the good parts of these religious books to heart and bad people take the bad parts. In my experience that's how human psychology works. Have you read the Old Testament?
Trump and his supporters never defend left wing free speech (only their own and those that agree with them while playing the victim) and the conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic seem intent on stripping us of our hard won rights and freedoms.