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Sandybridge design flaw recalls beginning!!

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[TW]Fox;18362293 said:
Why would you do that? There is nothing comparable to SB to replace it with and the fault is very minor in nature, doesnt manifest itself for some time and is easily worked around until Intel have sorted the recall.

Why is everyone crying so much?
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If the fault doesnt manifest itself for "some time" - years according to intel...

How have theey uncovered it in the lab? They have apparantly recreated it, now that rig wont have been running for years....

I continue to think they have uncovered more than just this problem hence the dash to replace the chipsets or the problem is more widespread / serious than they are stating..

IF I had spent x hundred quid on one of these boards, I would want a chipset with the new stepping. Period.
 
littlepuppy said:
If the fault doesnt manifest itself for "some time" - years according to intel...

How have theey uncovered it in the lab? They have apparantly recreated it, now that rig wont have been running for years....
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Take a look at the Anandtech article. "So far Intel has only been able to document the issue after running extended testing at high temperatures (in a thermal chamber) and voltages."
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FMTopfan said:
I'm expecting i7-2600K + Asus P8P67 DELUXE based-build this week. Its been on order since 17th Jan. (build log in sig). I am keeping this in perspective and will use the 4 available Sata 6Gbps ports, of which 3 will be used. Its not like there isn't an alternative or the end of the world.

I'm spending a lot on this build, I will just follow procedure if anything needs replacing. I always buy in confidence with Ocuk and ain't going to be as worried as some posting here.
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On the contrary, not worried. Just annoyed. Not with OcUK, (They quite clearly aren't at fault here) but with Intel for crappy testing.

I'm not gonna refuse the delivery as advised by some here as I can't trust courier companies with a barge pole! I'll take the order and RMA as and when advised.
 
Thing is it's damage limitation isn't it, it's about risk. You could say to yourself "well, it doesn't look like that big a deal, I'll just hang on to it and see what happens". But then if something does go wrong with it you might be out of the time period required to get it replaced for free.

IMO best to just get it sent back and sorted at the start so at least you can be sure your kit will be fine when it's returned (at least one would hope so!). Yeh, you'll be without your PC for a while but would you be willing to risk data loss over it? I run a business with multiple workstations and can't risk that. Yeh data loss is always possible even with an apparently perfect rig but knowing that your gear has a kind of ticking time bomb in it... no question I'd send it back asap. But maybe that's just me. And yes I'm on of those types who has approx 10 HDDs in each machine, so every port needs to work.
 
Another online retailer has pulled all of their P67/H67 boards now and they do have stock of the cpu's. They have also put a message up on their site regarding the issue and linking to their forums. They are also claiming that the issue with the chipset has killed four hdd's.
 
pastymuncher said:
Another online retailer has pulled all of their P67/H67 boards now and they do have stock of the cpu's. They have also put a message up on their site regarding the issue and linking to their forums. They are also claiming that the issue with the chipset has killed four hdd's.
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What a load of BS.

This issue cannot kill any HDDs.

It just won't detect them.

Talk about drumming up some hype.

Scaremongering much?
 
Not really worried to be honest, if the motherboard is recalled then I'll replace it. I'm actually comforted by the fact that intel are taking this seriously and are drawing up a proper action plan.

I might get worried later if it's going to cost me money or if I'll be without a motherboard for a long period of time, but I'll start worrying about that then, not now.

Like others have said, at least they haven't just told us to hold the motherboard differently. :p
 
pastymuncher said:
Another online retailer has pulled all of their P67/H67 boards now and they do have stock of the cpu's. They have also put a message up on their site regarding the issue and linking to their forums. They are also claiming that the issue with the chipset has killed four hdd's.
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Hmmm... very interesting!

That does change things slightly, I think, and will make a lot of users not quite so keen to continue using these motherboards, perhaps?

I know I cetainly won't be.
 
NathWraith said:
What a load of BS.

This issue cannot kill any HDDs.

It just won't detect them.

Talk about drumming up some hype.

Scaremongering much?
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Has this been confirmed though? Is it definitely not possible for a port to fail suddenly when data is being transferred, potentially leading to data loss/corruption? Still though... even if a port just stops working with no data loss, that could leave you without a working PC for hours/days. You might be in the middle of something very important (work, client meeting etc.) It might be scaremongering but not all your customers are casual net browsers and gamers. Some of us do our work with our workstations :)

That said I don't own anything SB... just my thoughts on it.
 
dekez said:
Not really worried to be honest, if the motherboard is recalled then I'll replace it. I'm actually comforted by the fact that intel are taking this seriously and are drawing up a proper action plan.

I might get worried later if it's going to cost me money or if I'll be without a motherboard for a long period of time, but I'll start worrying about that then, not now.

Like others have said, at least they haven't just told us to hold the motherboard differently. :p
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They won't be able to do anything until they have sufficient stocks of the fixed chips at the oem's and then to manufacture and distribute, going to be at least a Month away in my opinion, and I can't see us being out of pocket or without a board for long tbh
 
Posted in the last few minutes by a 'competitor', in their forums:

"Intel are releasing an offical statement within the next hour".
 
I posted about other retailers stopping sales on the Sandy stuff until they get proper advice from manufacturers and saying how it would be a good idea for OcUK to do the same and the post got removed!!
 
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I like all the classic internet twists, rumours, tinfoil hat theories, etc, on this issue.

It's never going to be a good thing, and you'll always be wanting it replaced. It seems that there are people kicking up a lot of fuss for an issue they are not experiencing though. Yes, it sucks that you'll have to go through the RMA process, but it's better that you find out a good while before the issue presents itself.

Just because we know about the issue now, it doesn't mean every Sandy Bridge motherboard has suddenly stopped working...
 
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Intel haven't said this will manifest itself over time, they've said 5-15% will end up failed after several years. The problem is, that figure will include the fact that the vast majority of systems only use a single hdd and a single optical drive, and never use the sata 2 ports.

This is frankly a simple design flaw, its not a failure rate thats slightly above normal, its a fault by design in every single chip. Considering probably less than 20% of systems use more than 2 drives, and they are predicting 5-15% will fail, with the 10% being a HUGE margin of error, thats almost certainly down to the simple fact they can't tell how many people will use more than 2 drives.

Considering the fault is from this transistor having ANY voltage applied and it always has voltage applied, even when the sata 2 is not in use, basically the chipset will have a 100% failure rate, however, only 5-15% of people will actually notice the failure rate, as it doesn't stop the entire chipset working but only the sata 2.


Intel WILL offer to replace every single last board, they can't do anything else, and you'd be mad not to take them up on it for the simple reason that even if you don't use the sata 2 ports, if/when you sell the mobo on, other people likely will and so resale value will be utter crap, when you can get a replacement for free.
 
zAndy1 said:
this isn't that big a deal for anyone using 1 internal HDD and 1 dvd drive
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I don't have an SSD yet but I imagine a lot of people will have 1 SSD and a big data drive. So they'll need to use the other ports.

I have 2 ordinary HDs and put my (hardly ever used) optical drive on one of the "dodgy" ports. I'm guessing that as it spends most of its time doing SFA the controller isn't going to get too stressed. I may be wrong though.

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Assuming we do get replacement boards is this not fairly good new for the consumer.
We will get a new revision motherboard... I'm sure that the Intel change will not be the only thing the motherboard manufacturers will change no doubt there will probably be other subtle changes.
 
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