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You get Modern Warfare now with NVidia products will you can easily flog on leaving not much in it.
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Sapphire 5700 XT Nitro Launched Today
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You get Modern Warfare now with NVidia products will you can easily flog on leaving not much in it.
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This particular GPU is feature rich compared to the others like it. And so far one of the best top tier cards out there.
The only other card that may topple it is the Toxic. As that should be 10-1 phase power vs 8-1 phase power that the Nitro has.
But after watching Gamer Nexus review the additional power envelope is academic at best. This Titan of a card is meant to be push to the limit (with the right cooling).
Anyone who's been into Nitro will know this. Which is why it has higher power consumption. Prior Nitro's were similar to this.
Phase 1 Mod
One of the biggest improvements you can do to the card is change the vreg cooling pads for Fujipoly Ultra Extreme pads (highest thermal conductivity out there). Make sure you get the appropriate thickness (.5, 1.0, 1.5 mm). You want conductivity @ 17.0 W/mK or higher. Do to it's beefy cooler it will take full advantage of Fujipoly's heat conductivity increase.
Fujipoly is more like a stick of gum then a pad as you know it. One caveat is to make sure you have extra. Once it hardens it tends to crumble if you try to take it off the heatsink.
It hardens something like play-duh. But it very durable once it's seated on the vregs, etc. You shouldn't need it on memory IC's on this card though.
Phase 2 Mod
Water Cool it. It should sustain better overclocks.
I've seen a lot of reviewers trying to "watercool" the 5700 XT and get worst results. That's do to inappropriate cooling of the vregs, etc with that cheaper thermal pads.
If all you do is Phase 1 you should get a nice bump in performance. No AIB I know of uses Fujipoly do to cost.
The only other card that may topple it is the Toxic. As that should be 10-1 phase power vs 8-1 phase power that the Nitro has.
But after watching Gamer Nexus review the additional power envelope is academic at best. This Titan of a card is meant to be push to the limit (with the right cooling).
Anyone who's been into Nitro will know this. Which is why it has higher power consumption. Prior Nitro's were similar to this.
Phase 1 Mod
One of the biggest improvements you can do to the card is change the vreg cooling pads for Fujipoly Ultra Extreme pads (highest thermal conductivity out there). Make sure you get the appropriate thickness (.5, 1.0, 1.5 mm). You want conductivity @ 17.0 W/mK or higher. Do to it's beefy cooler it will take full advantage of Fujipoly's heat conductivity increase.
Fujipoly is more like a stick of gum then a pad as you know it. One caveat is to make sure you have extra. Once it hardens it tends to crumble if you try to take it off the heatsink.
It hardens something like play-duh. But it very durable once it's seated on the vregs, etc. You shouldn't need it on memory IC's on this card though.
Phase 2 Mod
Water Cool it. It should sustain better overclocks.
I've seen a lot of reviewers trying to "watercool" the 5700 XT and get worst results. That's do to inappropriate cooling of the vregs, etc with that cheaper thermal pads.
If all you do is Phase 1 you should get a nice bump in performance. No AIB I know of uses Fujipoly do to cost.
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Soldato
Same here.
HUB does, 4:30 on their video.
Soldato
A whole 10 seconds on the triple vBIOS features.. LUL
Never said it was good or bad, I was just pointing out it was in fact mentioned.
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If only a reviewer would show the results of the the Phase 1 mod.
Results should be like
Results should be like
Yeah, the ASUS and limited edition PowerColour are very bizzare, you can literally get a 2070S which is better in every way, less power, more performance.
AMD needs to get the pricing right if they want to eat into nvidias market share, right now with the AIB cards they are failing to do that.
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And literally £60+ more expensive for, what, 5-10% more performance? 7fps, whoop
Don't use Asus for price comparisons, the Asus Tax totally skews perceptions of everything. The Strix 5700 XT may be £490 but the Strix 2070S is £630+ Both of these are ludicrously more expensive than their equivalents from other AIBs.
Excluding the stupid Asus prices, a 5700 XT AIB is £410-440. 2070 AIB cards are about the same price, yet the 5700 XT batters it (as intended). 2070S AIB boards are over £500, which is a minimum of £60 premium for fractionally higher raw performance.
Yet you think AMD haven't got their prices sorted out? Yeah OK.
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It isn't AMD, and if you look at Asus Strix cards of the 2070S, as LePhuronn mentioned, they are equally high priced (5700 XT £504.98-£629.99 2070S). Which you'd be paying an extra £125 for a 5-10% peformance increase.
You can get an AIB 2070 super for £489 in stock right now (+ CoD:MW promo). I can't link it because it's being sold elsewhere.
The 5700XT is a great card at the right price point and at £450 (in some cases a laughable £500+) is absolutely not the right price point lol.
Soldato
Oh dear...
I presume you're referring to the KFA2 2070S on the rainforest site? So let me get this straight: you're comparing a bargain basement, stock board, stock clocked 2070S with a basic cooler that is still £40 more expensive with a custom designed, custom PCB and heavily overclocked GPU with high-level bespoke cooler? And using such comparison to support the notion AMD have their prices wrong? Are you actually trolling us, or genuinely believe this?
But I guess comparing the bargain basement, stock KFA 2070S to the bargain basement, reference 5700 XT and seeing the price difference reach £100 somewhat shatters your argument, as would comparing the top-of-the-line, custom Sapphire Nitro+ to a top-of-the-line, custom EVGA XC Ultra with its £150 price difference.
Oh, and the rainforest is the only place offering that card at £490, everywhere else is £500, and there's only 7 left. Much like Asus's Turbo, I really doubt the £490 price tag will stay when stock runs out.
I presume you're referring to the KFA2 2070S on the rainforest site? So let me get this straight: you're comparing a bargain basement, stock board, stock clocked 2070S with a basic cooler that is still £40 more expensive with a custom designed, custom PCB and heavily overclocked GPU with high-level bespoke cooler? And using such comparison to support the notion AMD have their prices wrong? Are you actually trolling us, or genuinely believe this?
But I guess comparing the bargain basement, stock KFA 2070S to the bargain basement, reference 5700 XT and seeing the price difference reach £100 somewhat shatters your argument, as would comparing the top-of-the-line, custom Sapphire Nitro+ to a top-of-the-line, custom EVGA XC Ultra with its £150 price difference.
Oh, and the rainforest is the only place offering that card at £490, everywhere else is £500, and there's only 7 left. Much like Asus's Turbo, I really doubt the £490 price tag will stay when stock runs out.
So just to be clear you understand that a "bargain basement" 2070 Super is still better than ANY 5700XT correct? It still offers better performance and still offers better power consumption.
People on here have been claiming since the discussions over the 5700XT prices started that these lower priced 2070 Supers will disappear, so far hasn't happened, there is always one somewhere.
Soldato
But it's not £100 better, that's the point.
In which plane of reality is 7fps worth £100 premium? Get a reference card, give it a bit of a tune with undervolting and custom fan curve and you're within 5-10% of the 2070S.
It's not rocket surgery.
In which plane of reality is 7fps worth £100 premium? Get a reference card, give it a bit of a tune with undervolting and custom fan curve and you're within 5-10% of the 2070S.
It's not rocket surgery.
Soldato
10 second google gets you ->
Can you back up your claim?
All I will say is that any software power consumption is inaccurate, in particular Amd's reporting over the I2c bus . You can only take the reading from either full system power or from the power cables + pcie slot.
If you look at the next slide it shows the 2070 system pulling less power. As explained here
In previous testing, (Gpu power/Board power)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techspot.com/amp/review/1870-amd-radeon-rx-5700/
Either way the power consumption is not a metric to even bother about, there's nothing in it. And different situations will affect the power draw between aib cards and their bioses.
Navi caught up with shader throughout and power efficiency, but let's not get carried away, it's good, overpriced but competitive.
However let's see it scaled up and then maybe peeps can get excited.
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£100
This post is about the Nitro+ so its compared to that which is £450 and includes no free games.
After you sell on CoD there is only £15-20 difference if you go for the Zotac 2070S.
Do stop being silly
The difference between £450 and £489(minus another £50 for cod) is £100?
Must be a new type of math I'm not familiar with?
10 second google gets you ->
Can you back up your claim?
I guess in that 10 seconds of googling time you didn't factor in any time for reading the post you're replying to?
Look for a review of the cards we are actually discussing. A nitro+ 5700XT is going to average over 300w.
You guys are interesting you will come up with any nonsense to defend a price model that just rips off consumers, maybe you have vested interests or something makes no sense to me? Blind brand loyalty is never a good thing fellas.
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