Save the NHS!

Minstadave said:
I've started looking for jobs overseas. I love the idea of the NHS and will be sad to leave but if you want to slap me with an arbitrary pay cut I'll go elsewhere. I've spent 6 years at Uni and a further 8 years training in Paediatrics. I'm expected to deal independently with severely ill and dying children, change jobs and cities at 6 weeks notice every 6 months, work shifts until I'm in my late 60s but be paid less than a tube driver or a "physicians assistant" - jog on.

Since I've started working we've had pension cuts, increments stopped and now a significant paycut under the guise of a new contract.
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But Dolph says...........
 
To echo what others have said here, if the changes go through in their current form then I intend to move abroad in the next 5 years. I'd been considering it anyway, but this would cement it.

I don't expect a strike to make any difference to the situation, as the public will believe only what the tory-whipped press tell them to believe.
 
I'm not so sure, like I said above the easily led amongst the British public have spent the last three months being told that doctors are saints because it gave the usual suspects in the right-wing press something to beat striking TfL workers with. I think even Boris the Clown used it in one of his wordy but ultimately free of substance articles he writes for his Facebook followers.

The backtracking will be glorious by those who feel nobody is being compensated unfairly as long as people exist who are earning less. Who's going to be the next to be lifted to the position of saints in the comparison with doctors' salaries?
 
Jolteh said:
To echo what others have said here, if the changes go through in their current form then I intend to move abroad in the next 5 years. I'd been considering it anyway, but this would cement it.

I don't expect a strike to make any difference to the situation, as the public will believe only what the tory-whipped press tell them to believe.
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Same. Wife and will move to the U.S. Or Canada I think.

I'll be prepared to go on strike but I totally agree tan it make no difference and the BMA will fold faster than a house of cards I imagine.
 
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For the first time, I'm worrying about the career I'm going in to.
I'm not at all money driven, but I want to be able to support myself with a decent standard of living.
 
Junior Doctors already work nights and weekends, staffing the majority of out of hours work. Weekday staffing is already working flat out with no slack in the system.

The only reason for this change in contract is to lower pay. The report that has been published is made to fit Jeremy Hunts agenda.

This is purely Tory spin of a pay cut being presented as a pay rise. Claiming to simplify salaries when they will actually be far more complicated.

The government has backed the medical profession into a corner, the only action left is to strike.
 
Hunts plan is to starve the NHS of funds annoy doctors and nurses until they can claim that the system isn't working and the only answer is privatisation, it's the Tory wet dream to have everyone who can afford it on bupa and the rest of us left with nothing
 
MrMoonX said:
Hunts plan is to starve the NHS of funds annoy doctors and nurses until they can claim that the system isn't working and the only answer is privatisation, it's the Tory wet dream to have everyone who can afford it on bupa and the rest of us left with nothing
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I have to agree that his plans are exactly that. Let face it he co-authored a book calling for the NHS to be dismantled.

A couple of quotes from the book.

The book mocks the NHS as "the national sickness service".

"We should fund patients, either through the tax system or by way of universal insurance, to purchase health care from the provider of their choice."
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34326453

A medicine degree course at a UK university is not open to students from the UK - only overseas students are allowed to apply.

The medicine course at the University of Central Lancashire, launching this autumn, costs £36,500 per year.

The university says it is unable to admit UK students due to government limits on places to study medicine.

Careers charity MyBigCareer says this does "absolutely nothing" for young people wanting a career in medicine.

Ucas, the universities admissions service, and Universities UK say they do not know of any other UK undergraduate courses not admitting UK students.

The five-year course at the Preston-based university, training students to be doctors, is only available to overseas students, who will pay total tuition fees of £182,500.

There are 38 overseas students in this initial intake, who will have to pay the fees without any of the financial support or loans available to UK students.
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scorza said:
LOL I saw that. Let's be honest though - would you really want a colonoscopy from a guy who graduated from the same troll university that brought us a Bachelor of Arts degree in David Beckham studies?
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Yeah who'd want to pay that much for a degree from that hole of a uni anyway
 
MrMoonX said:
Hunts plan is to starve the NHS of funds annoy doctors and nurses until they can claim that the system isn't working and the only answer is privatisation, it's the Tory wet dream to have everyone who can afford it on bupa and the rest of us left with nothing
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I'm sure I read somewhere that a lot of MP's have shares in private health care firms.
 
Uther said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that a lot of MP's have shares in private health care firms.
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They do.

http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/p/key-facts-of-lords-and-mps-connections.html

225 parliamentarians have recent or present financial private healthcare connections

145 Lords have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare

124 Peers benefit from the financial services sector

1 in 4 Conservative Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare

1 in 6 Labour Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare

1 in 6 Crossbench Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare

1 in 10 Liberal Democrat Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare

75 MPs have recent or present financial links to companies or individuals involved in private healthcare

81% of these are Conservative

4 Key members of the Associate Parliamentary Health Group have parliamentarians with financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare

4 Patrons of the pro-reform think tank 2020health have Peers with private healthcare links

Nearly 40% of the most powerful individuals in healthcare are from companies with links to Lords and MPs.

4 MPs and 1 Lord have worked for Huntsworth Health, run by a Peer who gave money to Cameron’s leadership campaign

25 of the Finalists in the HealthInvestors Awards 2012 have parliamentarians connected to them

2 companies, DACBeachcroft, Cumberlege Connections, which have Lords as a partner and as an owner respectively, moved themselves into a position to make money from the reforms as the Lords voted on the bill, and before the bill became Act

5 organisations link to Baroness Cumberlege: Her company, Cumberlege Connections, Associate Parliamentary Health Group, 2020health, Huntsworth plc, MJM, healthcare solutions

19 Lords and MPs have financial links to Pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline

9 Lords and MPs have received payment from a company run by Baroness Cumberlege, called Cumberlege Connections, which is a healthcare training and political networking company

1 – the amount of times the BBC challenged Andrew Lansley in the last three years on his donation received to fund his private office when shadow health minister from John Nash the chairman of Care UK. Mr Nash was made a Lord.

All were able to vote on the Health and Social Care bill (now Act), despite having a prejudicial interest, which would not have been allowed at local council level
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...AandE-doctors-leaving-NHS-to-work-abroad.html

A third of NHS Accident & Emergency doctors have fled abroad in the past five years, due to “toxic” levels of pressure, Britain’s most senior casualty doctor has said.

Dr Cliff Mann said the health service is facing “an existentialist crisis” squandering hundreds of millions of pounds training doctors who turn their back on the NHS, and yet more plugging gaps with locums.

Half of trainee casualty doctors – each costing around half a million pounds to train – are abandoning the speciality within four years, the president of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine said.

To cover the shortages, the NHS is now spending as much on locums in a fortnight as it would cost to run a whole A&E unit for a year, he disclosed – a situation he described as “madness”.

Widespread shortages are leaving patients facing ever longer waits in casualty, he told a conference in London, with far too many left to endure “pretty awful care”.

In total, more than 600 consultants and trainee A&E doctors have gone abroad in five years he said, with the vast majority seeking a new life in Australia.
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Dolph?
 
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