Schools - LOST THE PLOT?

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Laws should be broken.

Isolation is a good form of punishment.

Anymore meaningless sentences I can rattle off, which only work when taken outside the context of this thread?

The OP may take issue, with the second sentence. But wait I'm not taking about this thread!
 
Haha, what a response.

If that is being taken out of context, please let me know how.

This thread is about school rules children and parents have agreed to. Not about the rules of an evil police state which you can't opt out of.

In regards to school rules. You make it sound like children have a choice to accept them or not. You cant just choose a new school like a packet of crisps. There may only be one in the area, you might have to go to that one due to catchment areas etc. And if you don't go to school your options are either your parents will be prosecuted or your parents will have to stop working and home teach you. So this means that Schools can set any amount of silly rules which you have no choice to accept and if they are not followed the child gets put in isolation.

Does this seem ok to you? I mean who gets to decide what haircut is appropriate and what is not? What is appropriate? The hair cuts which were in fashion when the rule maker was young? There is no set haircut which has been standard throughout human history.
 
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I would march into the head masters office and tell them that your son will be attending all classes as usual. Tell your son to go to his lessons as normal, the teachers can't force him out the classrooms, if they lay a finger on him have them done for assault.

I really do hope you never ever have kids. The attitude you have portrayed in that post is disgraceful and the exact reason why so many kids now have serious authority and behavioural issues. What you have said should be on the banners of all the NUT union strikers to help them justify why their job is so hard and they want more money.

On a side note to OP, well done for keeping up a reasonable debate in this thread. Can't be easy when it's about your son and there are tonnes of negative comments towards his hair cut and his mother. For the record I was strongly in support of the school and also thought the haircut was ridiculous. Glad it's all sorted now. :)
 
The point I've tried to make is that the punishment was not fitting of the crime (for lack of a better word), this seems to have been totally lost in the arguements here.

I agree. It's not lost on me, I understand and agree with you. Rules are rules, this is true, but not all rules are morally/ethically or soundly applicable to everyone. As someone alluded to earlier, some rules need to be breached in order to advance and make better rules. An extreme example to prove the point would be the Civil Rights movement in America during the 60's. I know your son's haircut is trivial by comparison but the same principle still applies.
 
there are many new rules which are stupid.

my son had similar for haircut.also sent him home for not having a tie on he had forgot :confused:

best one was he hurt his back was off for a week. he went back a day early at register they said you shouldn't be here go back home :confused:
 
In regards to school rules. You make it sound like children have a choice to accept them or not. You cant just chose a new school like a packet of crisps. There may only be one in the area, you might have to go to that one due to catchment areas etc. And if you don't go to school your options are either your parents will be prosecuted or your parents will have to stop working and home teach you. So this means that Schools can set any amount of silly rules which you have no choice to accept and if they are not followed the child gets put in isolation.

Does this seem ok to you? I mean who gets to decide what haircut is appropriate and what is not? What is appropriate? The Hair cuts which were in fashion when the rule maker was young? There is no set haircut which has been standard throughout human history.

In which case work to change the rules. If it is a protected characteristic under the UDHR then try that avenue. If there is a legal basis then use that. If it isn't a majority view then simply bring it up at the next Governer's meeting.

We live in a country which follows due process. People can't just do what they want because in their opinion they are right and most other people are wrong. They can if their rights on the matter are protected, but no one has proven here it is.
 
In regards to school rules. You make it sound like children have a choice to accept them or not. You cant just choose a new school like a packet of crisps. There may only be one in the area, you might have to go to that one due to catchment areas etc. And if you don't go to school your options are either your parents will be prosecuted or your parents will have to stop working and home teach you. So this means that Schools can set any amount of silly rules which you have no choice to accept and if they are not followed the child gets put in isolation.

Does this seem ok to you? I mean who gets to decide what haircut is appropriate and what is not? What is appropriate? The hair cuts which were in fashion when the rule maker was young? There is no set haircut which has been standard throughout human history.

With the utmost respect, rules exist for people who aren't intelligent enough to make their own decision on what is acceptable or not.

It's so clear that the haircut is beyond ridiculous and just not acceptable in a school nor even in a professional work environment.

As the parents cannot see this, the rule has to be introduced..

In 6th form I do recall one kid have pretty long hair, his parents were told and he came in on the Monday with normal hair again. No drama llama parents.
 
It's so clear that the haircut is beyond ridiculous and just not acceptable in a school nor even in a professional work environment.

Can you explain your reasoning? I know your opinion but what is your reasoning.
 
No. Do you ?

Yes and all the companies I've worked with have a dress code.
It's something I agree with as well. You should maintain a professional image at work at all times, and a uniform/smart attire assists with that
 
The point I've tried to make is that the punishment was not fitting of the crime (for lack of a better word), this seems to have been totally lost in the arguements here.

I think it was a fair punishment as well. When I was at secondary school I was in year 10, so that was 2001 ish, and a kid came in with massive spiked hair. Similar to Good Charlotte style spikes, he was in isolation for the day as he refused to comb his hair to an acceptable style.

It's distracting to the other kids education so he should be isolated.
 
Yes and all the companies I've worked with have a dress code.
It's something I agree with as well. You should maintain a professional image at work at all times, and a uniform/smart attire assists with that

Only time I was forced to wear a uniform at work was when I was in the R.A.F. Ever since, I wear what I want. But I'm handsome and charming so maybe I get away with stuff that others wouldn't. :p
 
I don't think our subjective opinions on the haircut is the point here. Ignorance of the school rules is not a defence against them; acknowledgement of them and then arguing against them is even more nonsensical.

You shaved your kid's hair which is against the school rules. You might not like those rules, you might argue that it's not "shaved" (you're wrong but you might), and you might then go into passive-aggressive mode about why he shouldn't be punished because it wasn't his fault, he had it done to him (think about that one for a second).

It doesn't matter. You are not the exception to the rules, you are not the special ********* who gets to accept what works and ignores what doesn't, and you are certainly showing a pretty terrible example to your son of how to deal in an adult fashion over issues of your own making.

Own your misunderstanding of the rules and apologise to your son. This is his educational life which you are responsible for.
 
Glad to hear it's all been resolved amicably. Mistakes made on both sides, but at least it's come to a decent resolution, for your son's sake if anything.
 
Been into the school today, discussed it in a rational calm manner and they have agreed that isolation was too much and unfair, he is back in normal classes today, with the same haircut.

My wife admitted that she had not seen the rules on the haircut before (neither had I) and she explained that this is allowed at the school she works at, so didn't think it would be a major problem. Anyway the 2 teachers, his head of year and his form tutor agreed that isolation wasnt the best method of dealing with the situation, so they backed down, and we agreed that once it's grown, he will not be having that haircut again.

(for the record its not a style that I like myself lol)

Nice one, glad you've resolved it without turning a molehill into a mountain. We all make mistakes, and let's be honest that haircuts a shocker, what was your Mrs thinking? she need's to get a grip.. LOL. You've not even reached the emo/tattoo/piecing years/2 week sulk when he want's to rebel. Always assuming that haircut has not scared him for life. What fun you're going to have. Happy parenting.. LOL.
 
Hi guys.

My son goes to NCHS high-school in Newcastle under Lyme. He is 12 years old and is in year 7.

This is the school - http://www.nchs.org.uk/

My wife cut his hair last week with my clippers.



The school has put him into isolation during lessons and break time due to his hair cut. Isolation is meant to be a punishment for more serious misbehavour.
The school was meant to call my wife back by 16:30 to discuss this further as we are not accepting this, it is not fair. However no phone call, and at 16:35 we called the school and the lines are now closed! Typical.

This hair is not drastic and the problem they have is because the left side is too short.

Hi AceModder.

I work at an academy in Stoke so can appreciate your concern at the decision to put your son into isolation, as it's not the way it should be dealt with.

The haircut is deemed in some schools to be too short beause it's blended in quite high from a number 1 to his normal length.

Usually if the blend is from a number 1 to 2/3 then it wont show up as much and there wouldnt usualy be a problem.
 
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