Dont do it man! Dont you study some form of science degree? I seem to remember you do, could be wrong. If you do, then types like you wont get far in politics.
Scottish Elections Result
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Dont do it man! Dont you study some form of science degree? I seem to remember you do, could be wrong. If you do, then types like you wont get far in politics.
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Seems like a bit of a pity that Annabel Goldie has resigned, from what I could tell she was doing a decent job given the general and ingrained dislike for the Conservative party in much of Scotland.
Maybe she's had enough and is looking for an easier job now than trying to get the Conservative Party elected in Scotland - I'd recommend juggling chainsaws while unicycling on a tightrope...
Maybe she's had enough and is looking for an easier job now than trying to get the Conservative Party elected in Scotland - I'd recommend juggling chainsaws while unicycling on a tightrope...
I have no idea why they have done that.
She was very adamant (much more confident than "the killing fields" Gray) that she would stay.
And for presentation opposition and check I wish she had. She was a nice woman too, kind of felt like you were listening to your own aunt when she talked
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Hah, nah I don't do science. I do law, and I regret picking it.
Are you a party member?
Not sure if it's been mentioned in here (haven't really been keeping tabs on the thread after results came in) but I'm really not looking forward to the minimum alcohol pricing which will be inevitably turning up soon. It was a hard one for the other parties to comment on because they need to look responsible but I think it's a big mistake introducing it and isn't going to tackle any of the social ills that alcohol causes in Scotland.
Regular OcUK booze trips to Carlisle anyone?
Indeed, never really taken it further than that though. I suppose I would have been happy to assist the Party in some way during the election but I was never approached by them and I wasn't really in a position to actively help out at the time to offer. I just got the usual targeted mail telling me I should vote for them. And the ones asking for my money!
Regular OcUK booze trips to Carlisle anyone?
Indeed, never really taken it further than that though. I suppose I would have been happy to assist the Party in some way during the election but I was never approached by them and I wasn't really in a position to actively help out at the time to offer. I just got the usual targeted mail telling me I should vote for them. And the ones asking for my money!
I'm 50/50 on it.
I rarely drink anyway these days and the social problems with crime, social stagnation and poverty are at times all interlinked.
You can't tackle our perverse relationship with drink without doing something a bit more radical, it isn't the whole answer either.
That's why labour sounded so hollow, hard on knife crime ("knife crime that costs £bns per day" errr!) but soft on alcohol related policy descisions, next to none.
The electorate are a bit more grown up, and while they all don't think its a good idea what costs us more? Police, Court Prison and the NHS costs in taxation spending or a high cost for a product that causes those problems?
That is the generalisation of course, and I respect the rights of those who drink responsibly but we cannot allow these levels of alcohol abuse in certain demographics to continue unabated.
Then you add on the 'tesco tax'; and get the money back off the retailer. So it's not like we're handing it away..
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I don't think it will get hideously expensive by any stretch for moderate drinkers (although that would depend on how much you drink as a moderate drinker
), but being genuine how would you deal with the issue?Pop your head into a branch meeting one day. If you don't get post from them about it, moan at them even if you cba going.
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She could have concentrated on Labours record in e.g Glasgow. Remember this is local politics not national. Labours record in Scotland. The real perils of SNP's vision - break up of the UK. What it would cost etc etc.
Instead we got three parties saying the same thing on a number of policies and Goldie claiming the credit for a number of implemented policies which given they were the third or fourth party and nobody has witnessed any great SNP-Tory love-in looked a bit silly.
As for getting a Westminster heavy to take over, well you said it yourself.
I don't buy that argument. Alcohol will always be easier to get hold of than drugs and whilst being caught with alcohol if you're underage is a crime you're unlikely to be arrested and it have any effect on your life. The punishments for being caught with illegal drugs are much higher.
Drugs are pretty cheap as it is now, arguably they are even cheaper than booze but you don't see the abuse that we do with alcohol.
Minimum pricing won't stop the abuse that we see and I can't see that it'll help reduce associated costs. I think it'll ultimately result in the producers making more money and that's about it.
I don't think that it is even possible to tackle the alcohol abuse problem that we have in this country in any easy way. Education is one thing, but when you have kids of 10 drinking in the street who have alcoholic parents you'll never be able to tackle the problem. A minimum unit price isn't going to help it's just going to punish those with low incomes who'll ultimately spend more on booze and as a result won't have the funds to afford other essentials.
I do not know how I would tackle it myself. Education is often trotted out as the answer but I believe that it just doesn't work. You can speak to someone until your blue in the face about the effects of alcohol abuse and everything like it but if someone wants to go down to the park and get hammered then they will. If a child sees their father have 3 cans of Super for breakfast, no matter what the teachers say, it's going to have an effect on that persons development and how they view alcohol.
Drugs are pretty cheap as it is now, arguably they are even cheaper than booze but you don't see the abuse that we do with alcohol.
Minimum pricing won't stop the abuse that we see and I can't see that it'll help reduce associated costs. I think it'll ultimately result in the producers making more money and that's about it.
I don't think that it is even possible to tackle the alcohol abuse problem that we have in this country in any easy way. Education is one thing, but when you have kids of 10 drinking in the street who have alcoholic parents you'll never be able to tackle the problem. A minimum unit price isn't going to help it's just going to punish those with low incomes who'll ultimately spend more on booze and as a result won't have the funds to afford other essentials.
I do not know how I would tackle it myself. Education is often trotted out as the answer but I believe that it just doesn't work. You can speak to someone until your blue in the face about the effects of alcohol abuse and everything like it but if someone wants to go down to the park and get hammered then they will. If a child sees their father have 3 cans of Super for breakfast, no matter what the teachers say, it's going to have an effect on that persons development and how they view alcohol.
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I don't think people get scared by the anti independence style, they know ultimately that it is going to be some social shift to get to that point anyway and IF (and it's big) the support stays the same there is no problem.
Only problem now, I don't think many expected Holyrood to ever return a majority. And it's people that got that by accident really, so I suspect people might be looking at the question more closely since it does seem to be a reality.
What shouldn't be done is 'negative' projections, it shouldn't be about attacking the SNP's presentation but about making their own, equally positive, case for the Union.
If they pick the former and or the latter it is unlikely to move public opinion away from it if recent events are to be drawn across.
Support for nationalism has fractionally increased as well I believe in the wake of the majority, but that's the feel good effect no doubt... five years is another game all together.
Indeed. I think Goldie was right to stand by her achievements as in their partnership she did show she had Scotland's interests at heart; the total opposite of Labour.
This is why I am sad Annabel is taking a back seat, although hopefully her reformist enthusiasm in the party will not disappear.
It just isn't going to work and is going to give off the worst impression possible in this climate, they need to work with what they have and fast.
It's not so much under age drinking itself, that is enforcement issues, but the wider social effects of alcohol and the stresses it places unfairly on public services or the minority of adults who abuse it ridiculous levels in some cases.
It won't stop the abuse, but in conjunction with other socio-economic measures, care and education etc you can help reduce the abuse by limiting the access to certain demographics.
If I go for a pint, it'll cost a bit more. If I live on the stuff on a set amount of money, I'd have to have less of it.
Less alcohol is less violence, very simplistic argument no doubt but the logic isn't all wrong. It stops you having to deal with the person you describe, you set the conditions around them.
Orwellian or what?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-13344043
Labour call in London so-called "hot shots" to clear up the mess of the "Scottish" party in the wake of the routing and failed campaign.
This would appear to be mistake number one.
Labour call in London so-called "hot shots" to clear up the mess of the "Scottish" party in the wake of the routing and failed campaign.
This would appear to be mistake number one.