Sebastian Vettel

godinman said:
I realise he did actually have poor grip, but he just seemed really wingey this season...meh.
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I think he has some personal/family problems this year. I don't think he really lets that affect his performance on-track. He just likes to vent a little at his employer sometimes. Button has less right to vent really as it's his first year and wasn't really expected to perform as well as he had in the first place!
 
I disliked him through the mid part of the season. But he stopped being so annoying towards the end of the season and was just plain fast. Vettel deserved the championship. I would agree that Hami is better though.
 
You can't pick fault with Vettel on a good day, he puts in an unbeatable qualifying time for pole position and doesn't put a foot wrong all race. He loves it out front.

When it's not going so well, I'm not so sure, but given the shocking performances from both Alonso and Hamilton this season throwing good points away or being plain average I can't say he's not the best racer out there at the moment.
 
I don't like that he won the championship because he is far from being a complete driver. As I said in the other thread he is a fantastic time trial driver, and he can carry that over into races where he is on pole; but when he is in the pack he seems to have no idea how to go about making any progress, despite the obvious superiority of his machinery.

I think there are several other drivers who, given the same vehicle, would have had him well beaten. I am hoping that its something he will build into his development, because if Mclaren or Ferrari come out with a stronger car than Red Bull next year he is going to have a very hard time retaining his title.
 
Personally dont think he deserved the championship as clearly as some are suggesting

IF RBR had supported them eqaully I firmly believe Webber would have won, but the team/management structure clearly favoured SV, and I dont think it was warrented

Maybe in the future SV will be a multi-WC , I sincerely hope not unless he gets his act together regarding effective overtaking and appearing less arrrogant (in the finger waving)

If it had only been between Alonso and SV it would havebeen the better of two bad choices for WDC imo
 
Memphis said:
He annoyed me through-out this year, however I absolutely cannot begrudge him the title. He was, as Anthony Davidson said on the Five Live coverage, the fastest driver this year. That won him the title so fair play.

What he needs to do now is mature as champion through next year. Improve his skills, especially at racing with other cars as opposed to sprinting from the front, and I see no reason not to like him. He certainly seemed to be a genuine guy after clinching the title.

The whole finger waving thing was just an excuse for the majority of this board to hate him because he was winning. It's amazing how fickle some here can be. He was hailed as the next god after winning in the Toro Rosso, yet this year as an arrogant little runt. Amazing some people still believe you can be a top level sportsman and NOT be arrogant.
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I don't dislike any of the drivers - I would even have been happy for Alonso to win. They all work their butts off to get where they are so to deny any of them is silly in my eyes.

I agree with the last para completely. When Seb was the young joker that everyone found to be very likeable and not as aloof as Hamilton and Alonso, he was everyones favorite. Now this year he gets made out to be the villian of the piece. As much as I would liked to have seen Webber win the WDC, I've been thinking whether Webber didn't engineer some of the "Hard done by 2nd driver" issues that came up a bit before and after Turkey. He used the press to his advantage.

To me, Seb is still the cheeky little chap who I remember seeing crying in his pits after taking out a Red Bull (Webber I believe :) ) I think a lot of the bad press he received were more down to bad management of the "sidooashun" by Red Bull and Christian Horner.
 
I think he did an appalling job tbh. He had a car that was consistently 0.5 of a second faster than everyone else, sometimes more. No one takes that kind of advantage season long to the last race of the season, not with 10 poles most of which he couldn't convert.

Hamilton, Button and Alonso would have destroyed the pack race in race out in that car. Button won the title with a car that started fastest but was nowhere near as fast as the red bull for as long. Yet when the car was the fastest Button made it pay, race in race out.

He may get better and drivers often make a meal of the first title but for me he makes far to many errors under pressure. Last year he made them with Button behind him, this year he made them despite being in a much faster car.

If Alonso had a car capable of 10 poles and 0.5 quicker on race day he wouldn't put a foot wrong all season.

Vettel may be world champion but for me he's the fourth best driver in F1 currently and I'd perhaps make a case for Kubica to bump him down to 5th.
 
i dont dislike him per se

I dislike the team being built around him and the arrogance he has that goes with it. You almost feel that those pulling the strings at RBR feel webber was getting in the way of their master plan to make vettel the champion.

Other teams have a number 1 and number 2 driver, but its the way they (seemingly) try to smack any ambition of webber and tell him he should know his place that puts me off.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Vettel may be world champion but for me he's the fourth best driver in F1 currently and I'd perhaps make a case for Kubica to bump him down to 5th.
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4th best?

I would make a case that in equal machinery in a race situation you could expect people like Kobayashi and Rosberg to go past him. I would really like to see Kobayashi in a faster car because he has a natural eye for overtaking in the same way that Vettel has a natural eye for the fastest line.

Personally I think that only Alonso and Hamilton are really good enough to be considered all round champions. Put it this way if Alonso had won (by more than 7 points), or Hamilton had won would people be questioning their abilities in the same way that people are questioning Vettel this year and Button last year?

My worry is that this success gets to his head and he doesn't improve the rest of his racing to match his pure speed, he isn't always going to have the fastest car and he may not always be in the situation where he is favoured by his team like he was this year (this mental aspect really cost Webber the title)
 
Vettel is incredible. He did some things that were questionable earlier in the season - I put that down to his age.

Its nice to see someone with a great personality in the sport - We don't want another Kimi :/
 
M0T said:
Personally I think that only Alonso and Hamilton are really good enough to be considered all round champions. Put it this way if Alonso had won (by more than 7 points), or Hamilton had won would people be questioning their abilities in the same way that people are questioning Vettel this year and Button last year?
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Dont think the criticism was deserved last year - but this season proves how good Button is in an identical car to Hamilton , who himself is considered one of the best racers in F1

Hamilton will always go for risky manouvres, thats just who he is - whether its right or wrong its probable he will always come a croper once or twice season by being too ambitious (so it would be unfair to try and say the points gap was artifically narrow because of this) imo
 
I think he deserved the championship, but I can't warm the guy. Mainly because of Turkey, but I didn't really like him before either. There's no problem with disliking him for no particular reason though - sport is all about irrational rivalries. I choose to enjoy Vettel's failures :)
I did surprise myself though by having more respect for Red Bull as the season went by. The fact the Austrian anthem plays when they win when they're essentially a British team still grates, but they did show themselves to be committed racers in refusing to swap their drives, unlike a certain red team I could mention. You could argue it was just to give Vettel the best chance, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
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