Security guards - bad experience

bloodiedathame said:
In the same way that I could make a citizens' arrest on anyone committing a crime and hold them until the police arrived. They are within those rights.
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Again, I wonder how the self-defence argument would go in this scenario; if some random person in the street jumped on me and pinned me to the floor for no reason* then I certainly wouldn't just lie there passively and let them do whatever they wanted with me!




* e.g. in the case of mistaken identity, there would be "no reason" as far as I was aware

bloodiedathame said:
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I'd put 'locking someone in a room' in the 'detaining' category.
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There's a key requirement within that legislation:

"A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—

(a)anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;

(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence."

Assuming the OP's story is true, then this incident occurred purely on the word of a random stranger at their table saying something to the bouncer.

I certainly wouldn't want to be the person trying to justify that to a judge as "reasonable grounds"!
 
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Haggisman said:
Again, I wonder how the self-defence argument would go in this scenario; if some random person in the street jumped on me and pinned me to the floor for no reason* then I certainly wouldn't just lie there passively and let them do whatever they wanted with me!




* e.g. in the case of mistaken identity, there would be "no reason" as far as I was aware



There's a key requirement within that legislation:

"A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—

(a)anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;

(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence."

Assuming the OP's story is true, then this incident occurred purely on the word of a random stranger at their table saying something to the bouncer.

I certainly wouldn't want to be the person trying to justify that to a judge as "reasonable grounds"!
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I was locked in a basement kinda room

The bouncers classes it us being detained

There saying two different people mentioned it to them, I’m guessing two people at our shared table
 
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EGuitarStar said:
Which newspaper national or a local?

Are you certain that you or your Mrs didn't do anything to warrant the situation you found yourself in?
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National

I’m 100% we were having a great night together and this just come out of the blue by two random people talking rubbish
 
So the press just called and they checked the incident with the police and there saying a formal complaint against the bouncers has not been raised but when the officers on duty called me they said I can’t take it further cos they were just doing there job

Press is still coming at 5pm for photos apparently and hoping I get an official crime reference number so they can publish

I called the police back and now the Sargent of the officers is giving me a call back

Press seem to think this is never right and also not legal them denying me a subject access report of the footage

See what happens when they call I guess
 
Gary195 said:
That’s a idea, do you think the press would be interested in this
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Make sure you go to the Evening Sentinel in Staffordshire.
They will print absolutely anything and use an headline that 99.9% of fellow Stokies will only read and comment only on that headline.
You'll be on a winner.
 
Gary195 said:
Press seem to think this is never right and also not legal them denying me a subject access report of the footage
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so you're all happy cause the press told you this but you ignore it when other people have told you the same on here. there's more holes in this fairy tale than a busted sieve.
 
Just had someone else from the press now interested in this story

All just wanting a crime reference, surly can’t be hard getting this. Can’t believe when the press called the police they said no formal complaint was made against the bouncer
 
Haggisman said:
I certainly wouldn't want to be the person trying to justify that to a judge as "reasonable grounds"!
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+1 - it wouldn't be possible to make a defence in this instance that it was reasonable to lock up 2 people in 2 separate rooms for over 2hours. hence why i don't believe it happened. the bouncers would be opening themselves and the business up to all sorts of legal come back. to be honest, if the story is true i might get myself over to that bar and see if i can 'engineer' a way to get my self locked up too - the compo claim would be pretty tasty. :p
 
Thekwango said:
+1 - it wouldn't be possible to make a defence in this instance that it was reasonable to lock up 2 people in 2 separate rooms for over 2hours. hence why i don't believe it happened. the bouncers would be opening themselves and the business up to all sorts of legal come back. to be honest, if the story is true i might get myself over to that bar and see if i can 'engineer' a way to get my self locked up too - the compo claim would be pretty tasty. :p
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Well I’m glad the think that, I’ll be taking this all the way
 
Thekwango said:
all the way where? you've already said the police have given you the cold shoulder so where you gonna go with it now?
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Waiting on the sergeant calling, there’s a starting point

Surly I’m able to get a crime reference number, that will open the story to the press to publish
 
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