Seenheiser pc 360

I'd say going from others have said, the 350's are certainly more in need of a headphone amp than the 360's are. That's subjective though, as there are some people that think the 350's don't need one at all. Ohm rating is not the best way to determine whether a headphone will require a headphone amp or not. Take AKG K701's, 62Ohm, or there about. Good luck getting good performance from those without a headphone amp. Sennheiser HD25's on the other hand, are 70Ohm and don't need a headphone amp at all. Then there's Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro's which have a 250 Ohm version. Again, some say they really need an amp, others say an amp doesn't do a lot other than increase volume.

Personally, I think the OP should look into getting the best sound card he can afford. If he can't afford one of the more expensive ones with a headphone amp, I wouldn't go for a DG/X just because it has a headphone amp. The 360's are not so much in need of an amp that I'd get a lesser sound card, just to have one. If it were me, I wouldn't want to spend £150 on headphones only to use a £20 sound card.

melmac said:
And I think even the overclockers staff have been impressed with this card. Here's a quote from Andrew Moore's post when He first advertised the card on these forums.

"this new sound card is very special"
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Lol. They are bound to say that, they say that of everything they sell. If you were buying a car from a salesman, would you take his 'impartial' word for it, that the car is fantastic? ;)

I'm just saying. :)
 
zoomee said:
Do you even have a set of sennheiser PC 360's?

So far in this thread the only thing PC360 owners have mentioned so far is that an amplified soundcard sounds better than onboard sound. That I completely agree with.

lol - amplified sound isn't going to give you better bass - its going to give you a louder sound thats all - nothing more nothing less.

Creative Z is nothing better than a rebrand of Creative's 3D soundcards with bells and whistles (look at how quickly they dropped the 3dcon cards lol). Check out the reviews (even on this forum) where the 3Dcon cards are being pee'd on by their older brethrin (X-Fi) cards for quality. I wouldn't touch creative with your pole let alone mine, they seem to get worse as time progresses, forcing users to buy new soundcards due to lack of driver support. Surprised theres windows 8 drivers already available lol
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Listen to this guy, he knows what hes talking about...

I have an STX and the pc360's and they do not need a headphone amp to drive them. The STX has 3 settings, normal gain for <64ohm headphones, high gain for 64~300 ohms and extra high gain for 300~600 ohm. The PC360s being <64 ohm fall into that first category where the headphone amp is basically not being used.

Plus i have to echo that bit about creative Z's cards. no one jumped on the 3d recon cards because you could tell just by looking at the PCB it was cheap crap, these new Z cards are simply the old recons jazzed up a bit with some new marketing spin, they have better quality components but still use the same crummy core3d chip for a base which is inferior to the outgoing x-fi. A poor buy overall when compared to the xonar lineup.
 
I had a pair of Sennheiser PC 360s and an Asus Xonar DX. They sounded pretty good, but I wanted even better.

I bought a FIIO E5 headphone amplifier since it's had good reviews. With that particular headphone/soundcard combination, I couldn't hear any difference in sound quality whatsoever.

I bought an Asus Xonar Essence STX. I found a noticeable improvement in sound quality over the DX. The DX is a good sound card, but the STX is even better (with those headphones).
 
MaxP779 said:
Listen to this guy, he knows what hes talking about...

Plus i have to echo that bit about creative Z's cards. no one jumped on the 3d recon cards because you could tell just by looking at the PCB it was cheap crap, these new Z cards are simply the old recons jazzed up a bit with some new marketing spin, they have better quality components but still use the same crummy core3d chip for a base which is inferior to the outgoing x-fi. A poor buy overall when compared to the xonar lineup.
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Show me proof that the new Z cards are worse than the xonars? You seem to know so much. Go on, please!!!! Show me how it is a poor buy? Do you have the Z card? Have you compared it against anything?

And you bring up the recon3d, just like Zoomee, sorry, but everyone knows the recon3d hadn't the best sound quality. That's why I didn't buy one.

Here is a quote from another new owner of the Z card and oh, wait he has a PC360 too, And he is coming from a titanium HD.

roman59 said:
Hey guys

Removed all the drivers for my old Titanium HD, whipped the card out.

Installed the Soundblaster Z in my machine, put the new drivers on, nice quick install.

Started playing around with the settings on the new card, much slicker than the old Creative set.

Plugged in my Sennheiser PC360 headphones and was really blown away, they sound like a new set of headphones now, the onboard headphone amp really makes a big difference.
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I guess that answers two questions in this thread.
 
Marsman said:
Lol. They are bound to say that, they say that of everything they sell. If you were buying a car from a salesman, would you take his 'impartial' word for it, that the car is fantastic? ;)

I'm just saying. :)
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Yeah you are right, Low impedance doesn't always mean that headphones won't benefit from an amp. Look at planar maganetic headphones like the HE-500, they have an impedance of 32Ohm, but really need an amp to sound good.

Haha, of course not. And I know it's just sales talk. But hey he does compare it directly to the D2x and generally speaking they don't do that. No smoke without fire and all that :D
 
MaxP779 said:
Nope i wasent stupid enough to be sucked in by creatives marketing garbage and buy one :rolleyes:
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LOL that's your argument? That's the best you come up with? Your anti creative BS and calling people stupid who bought the card?

You don't have a clue what the card sounds like do you? And yet without having heard the card at all you can make the call that it's crap and worse than any of the xonars. Again, prove it.
 
melmac said:
LOL that's your argument? That's the best you come up with? Your anti creative BS and calling people stupid who bought the card?

You don't have a clue what the card sounds like do you? And yet without having heard the card at all you can make the call that it's crap and worse than any of the xonars. Again, prove it.
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Well lets look at some facts shall we?

You have bought a card which as of writing has zero professional reviews out there. People who do this generally fall into one of these categories:

A - A massive fanboy
B - A bit dim, buys speakers from a the back of a white van type etc
C - A knowledgeable risk taker
D - Dosent care, just buys the first thing they come across

I think you are a little from column A and a little from column B...

You continue to ask for proof? Well prove to me that the Z is better or as good as a xonar, oh wait all you have is your own biased opinion as no one else has reviewed these things yet lol whereas there are tons of reviews of the xonar line out there to attest to their sound quality.

The only good audio card creative have put out semi recently is the titanium HD. Fact. But by all means though continue to enjoy your overpriced creative trash with your white van setup, ignorance is bliss ;)
 
Now now children :/

Just because there's no 'Professional' reviews doesn't mean that the soundcard sucks or is awesome. As for biased reviews, every review is biased. You as the reader of the review has the responsiblity of finding out whether it is to be taken seriously. If the guy has only even used one soundcard then things are to be taken with a pinch of salt and if he's listened to 100 then perhaps you can trust him but at the end of the day, reviews are opinions and these tend to vary a lot!
 
MaxP779 said:
Well lets look at some facts shall we?

You have bought a card which as of writing has zero professional reviews out there. People who do this generally fall into one of these categories:

A - A massive fanboy
B - A bit dim, buys speakers from a the back of a white van type etc
C - A knowledgeable risk taker
D - Dosent care, just buys the first thing they come across

I think you are a little from column A and a little from column B...

You continue to ask for proof? Well prove to me that the Z is better or as good as a xonar, oh wait all you have is your own biased opinion as no one else has reviewed these things yet lol whereas there are tons of reviews of the xonar line out there to attest to their sound quality.

The only good audio card creative have put out semi recently is the titanium HD. Fact. But by all means though continue to enjoy your overpriced creative trash with your white van setup, ignorance is bliss ;)
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lol, look how you judge me? You don't don't even know me and you call it fact. You can't just pluck things out of thin air and call them facts.

You still are comparing the old recon3d to the new creative z.

And you continue to ignore the quote from the other guy who has bought this card and has compared it directly to the titanium HD, and he says the Creative Z is better.

But anyway, you have called me stupid, a buyer of white van trash and a fanboy. But again, no real argument about the topic, whether the creative Z sounds good or not. And yes I continue to ask for proof because insulting me doesn't prove anything. It just makes you sound stupid.

As for me been a white trash van buyer, Here is my current system

Pioneer LX5090,
Av Receiver- Pioneer SC-LX81.
Speakers :-
XTZ 99.25's with the MkII crossover as my front 3.
XTZ 93.WMT's as my rears.
Subwoofer is XTZ 99W12.18P and is driven by the XTZ subamp1 with DSP.

Headphones - modded JVC -HARX900's.

hmm, no white van trash there, guess you are wrong about that.

Ok, then you call me a fan boy.

Three of my last four cards were Asus, the Xonar Hdav1.3, the Hdav 1.3 slim and the Xonar DG. Broken up by onboard audio for a few months.

Did I say the creative recon3D was a good card? Nope. I even said it wasn't the best sound quality.

Hmm, don't see any evidence of me been a fanboy, so you are wrong about that too.

I took a risk based on no reviews and bought the card. But, it was a calculated risk. A russian site had taken apart the cards and showed the components and it all looked pretty good. I was mainly buying the card for a seperate headphone and speaker connection. And I figured if the headphone amp is the same as the one in the Asus ST and STX then it's going to sound pretty ok.

And it paid off, the sound quality is really good. And if you look at my gear you will see that I have certain standards when it comes to audio quality (and picture quality) Which is why I changed from the Asus DG after only a few weeks.
 
Phal said:
Now now children :/

Just because there's no 'Professional' reviews doesn't mean that the soundcard sucks or is awesome. As for biased reviews, every review is biased. You as the reader of the review has the responsiblity of finding out whether it is to be taken seriously. If the guy has only even used one soundcard then things are to be taken with a pinch of salt and if he's listened to 100 then perhaps you can trust him but at the end of the day, reviews are opinions and these tend to vary a lot!
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Yeah all this is true enough. Like some professional reviewers even recommended the recon3d!! I would have never purchased one of those.

But I would still take the opinion of people who have heard a particular card over someone who hasn't.
 
melmac said:
Yeah all this is true enough. Like some professional reviewers even recommended the recon3d!! I would have never purchased one of those.

But I would still take the opinion of people who have heard a particular card over someone who hasn't.
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I'm the same really. I won't voice my opinion on anything that I haven't heard/seen myself etc and at the most I'll just repeat what I've read and make it clear that it's what I'm doing.

Hopefully the OP is getting something useful out of this :P Even if he did ask about a 'Seenheiser' headset :P
 
Phal said:
I'm the same really. I won't voice my opinion on anything that I haven't heard/seen myself etc and at the most I'll just repeat what I've read and make it clear that it's what I'm doing.

Hopefully the OP is getting something useful out of this :P Even if he did ask about a 'Seenheiser' headset :P
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Yeah, well hopefully the OP does. I did include the quote from the Roman59. He has the sennheiser PC360 and the creative z and seems very happy. He has noticed an improvement in the headphones even going from a titanium HD.

It all depends on his budget now, and I still think my original advice is still fine.

Below £30 - get the Xonar DG
Below £80 - get the creative Z
Above £100 - get the asus xonar essence ST or STX

The creative Z is there strictly because it has a headphone amp and I think it just edges out the D2 because of that. It would be a tougher call if the the OP was looking to output to speakers.
 
melmac said:
I guess that answers two questions in this thread.
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ahahahahaha - You included the quote from the other thread I see and conveniantly missed out this bit:

I am running the card optical only using Dolby Digital out.

This card sounds much better than the old one.
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This is the same guy who claims he heard the difference immediately when using his new Z card via optical out. Thats just a joke dude, seriously - at least quote someone who knows what they are talking about.

EVERYONE knows optical out is a digital output format. You won't hear any difference between an optical out on crappy on-board sound as opposed to the top of the top of the range soundcard. Thats because the conversion to sound is done on the external device, not the soundcard!!! LOL
 
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zoomee said:
EVERYONE knows optical out is a digital output format. You won't hear any difference between an optical out on crappy on-board sound as opposed to the top of the top of the range soundcard. Thats because the conversion to sound is done on the external device, not the soundcard!!! LOL
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That's not entirely true. Unless the on-board sound has Dolby Digital Live, you'll only get stereo sound out of games over the optical output. Most mid-range sound cards now have Dolby Digital Live so you can get 5.1 or 7.1 sound out of games over the optical output. So you may not hear any difference in sound quality, but you may well get a substantial improvement in positional audio.
 
true - I exaggerated a little lol.

The guy went from a Titanium HD to the new Z series using only optical out and claims a difference in sound - yet the Titanium HD supports dolby digital Live also, so my point rings true ;)
 
This thread is about a guy looking for a new sound card for the PC360.

I quoted the bit that was relevant to this thread.

You claimed that a person would notice no difference between using the PC360 on a sound card without a headphone amp to a sound card with a headphone amp.

I just took the quote from a guy who has done exactly that and is very happy with the result.
 
melmac said:
This thread is about a guy looking for a new sound card for the PC360.

I quoted the bit that was relevant to this thread.

You claimed that a person would notice no difference between using the PC360 on a sound card without a headphone amp to a sound card with a headphone amp.

I just took the quote from a guy who has done exactly that and is very happy with the result.
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Yeah but u twisted the truth by omitting a clear evidence the guy is suffering from a 'placebo' effect lol

Anyways thread done
 
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