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Can someone that is ethnically Scottish become Japanese?
Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride to find out if she can return to UK
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What do you mean allowed to return.
Joyce was born in the USA, grew up in Ireland, lived in England, ran away to Germany and broadcast propaganda from there until being captured at the end and being subject to victors justice.
We argued that he was ours so we could hang him (which we did). He didn't WANT to come back and by any usual standards he was never a British citizen. He had a falsely acquired British passport and the lawyers earned their pay arguing that it was close enough.
these days you can be who and whatever you want to be apparently
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Seemingly so.
Ethnicity and nationality are different.
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Indeed they are. Shamima is ethnically Bangladeshi and a British citizen then no?
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You mean if they were born in Japan to Scottish parents? If they spoke Japanese as their first language, held a Japanese passport, were able to enlist in the Japanese army, run for election as a Japanese official, etc? Had never been to Scotland, not even once?
You're saying they'd in fact by Scottish and nothing else?
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They would be ethnically Scottish with Japanese citizenship.
It’s weird that so many people say “I’m just as British as you” whilst being a different ethnicity, worshipping a minority religion and not following any British cultures/traditions.
To expand your point If I went to Japan as a white Christian, didn’t learn their language, follow their traditions and only ate fish/chips then said “I’m just as Japanese as the local indigenous population” they’d look at me like I was an idiot! And they’d be right!
At which point I’d call them racist for pointing out the obvious ……
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But we don't want to end up in a place where you aren't anything.It’s weird that so many people say “I’m just as British as you” whilst being a different ethnicity, worshipping a minority religion and not following any British cultures/traditions.
To expand your point If I went to Japan as a white Christian, didn’t learn their language, follow their traditions and only ate fish/chips then said “I’m just as Japanese as the local indigenous population” they’d look at me like I was an idiot! And they’d be right!
At which point I’d call them racist for pointing out the obvious ……
If you aren't British because your parents were maybe a bit foreign, and you aren't from anywhere else, then what are you? A great bit nothing burger?
Down here many people say I'm not Cornish. My parents weren't Cornish, they were from up country. So a lot of people say, "You aren't Cornish, you're English!"
I've lived in Cornwall and Wales, but never England.
Some people down here say you can't be Cornish unless you've had 7 generations of Cornish ancestors. Putting aside the lack of genetic diversity for one second (
) that does mean that many, many people who lived their entire lives in Cornwall weren't Cornish, by that definition.People want their nationality to be exclusive to people just like them. But in so doing, they render so many people effectively with no identity, or a forced identity of a place they have no knowledge of.
Is that what we want?
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Does she not realise she could just hop on a boat, would save herself some hassle and us some money.
I suppose you could argue that an individual’s ethnicity, nationality and ‘culture’ are effectively all different aspects that make up a person’s identity.
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To be fair most people don’t get their news from
Jacob Rees Mog like you occasionally do
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I would say yes... full disclosure. I was born in Taiwan and I've been in England since I was 8. I became British around 19 (don't exactly remember), and I'm now 37.
I would say I was as British as anybody else. I have certainly have expended more effort to become British than most of the country, and if in the future, the British people don't feel I should be here, then I want a lot of taxes refunded.
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Err... Cornwall isnt a country.
A friend of mine moved from the Midlands to Cornwall and he's very much considered an outsider by the locals. It's obvious that he is and he's okay with it. It's not a bad thing, but culturally he clearly isn't Cornish. His local knowledge, his accent, his family history etc. But yes he is a resident there. And that's okay.
So what was Shamima's nationality? People have claimed she wasn't British. And people have agreed with that.
Was she ever a Bangladeshi national - a place she'd never been to? A place she'd never had citizenship from?
If she wasn't Bangladeshi and she wasn't British, what was she?
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It sounds like you are culturally British and that's great. I'm all for that.
We have:
Ethnicity
Culture
Citizenship/Nationality
Ethnicity is immutable. Culture is adopted and citizenship can be altered by paperwork.
So if someone is to "be British", which of those needs to considered?
If someone is to be a "British national", which then?
If someone is a British national, can I/can I not say "they are British"?
Up **** creek. Shame eh.