Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride to find out if she can return to UK

I love how you continue to ignore the fact that even had she applied for citizenship, it would have been denied, because it's fully discretionally. And the Home Sec was aware of this fact.

She never had citizenship. She had a time-limited provisional citizenship for children, inherited from her parents, in a land she'd never been to.
 
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FoxEye said:
I love how you continue to ignore the fact that even had she applied for citizenship, it would have been denied, because it's fully discretionally.
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I'm not ignoring that Bangladesh didn't want her it's just not relevant to the point I'm making.

FoxEye said:
She never had citizenship. She had a time-limited provisional citizenship for children, inherited from her parents, in a land she'd never been to.
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You just contradicted yourself.

That the citizenship she had could lapse doesn't negate that she had citizenship FFS! Her British citizenship was revoked before her Bangladeshi citizenship lapsed, at the time she was a dual national, if this was incorrect then she could have appealed on that basis.
 
Do you accept the fact that children will invariably age and become adults? Yes/no?

Do you accept the fact that provisional citizenship for children will become invalid in all cases, barring childhood death? Yes/no

Do you accept the fact that converting this to full adult citizenship required an application and the outcome could be a denied citizenship? Yes/no

Honestly @dowie, just carry on being correct in your own head. I literally don't care. I cannot be arsed with you.
 
FoxEye said:
Do you accept the fact that converting this to full adult citizenship required an application and the outcome could be a denied citizenship? Yes/no

Honestly @dowie, just carry on being correct in your own head. I literally don't care. I cannot be arsed with you.
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LOL try to stick with what was said; she had citizenship. Claiming that she never had citizenship is clearly false. That the citizenship could lapse (and indeed did) doesn't mean it never existed.
 
Why doesn't she just turn up on a boat and claim asylum.

finally they might do something about the channel crossings if she made them look like muppets
 
Good thing we kept her out, as opposed to the actual terrorists/criminals who are tried/judged in the UK, convicted in the UK, go to prison in the UK, and keep their UK citizenship...

I feel much safer :D
 
FoxEye said:
She never had citizenship. She had a time-limited provisional citizenship for children, inherited from her parents, in a land she'd never been to.
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Yeah, but the 'land she'd never been to' thing is completely irrelevant, it makes no difference to her situation whatsoever. I don't know why people keep bringing it up.

Plenty of young Australians apply for their second citizenship years before they've ever set foot in the UK, Italy, Greece, Vietnam, or whichever country of ancestry they're applying to.

My sister got her British passport in her 20s, and she'd never even left Australia before. My son got his British passport before he was 10 years old, and he'd never left Australia before either.

arknor said:
Why doesn't she just turn up on a boat and claim asylum.
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She wouldn't pass the security check. They'd throw her back like an undersized trout.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
This is a hideous fudge used by the government at the time to make a decision that appealed to their base. She is a British problem and we should man up and deal with it properly.
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I don't even think it's 'their base' tbh. I loathe the current government but have little doubt it would have overwhelming support in Begums case.
 
Uther said:
I don't even think it's 'their base' tbh. I loathe the current government but have little doubt it would have overwhelming support in Begums case.
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I’ve not seen any polling (would be a weird one to poll) but I would expect it to be a very close run thing just in terms of revoking her citizenship. I like many am in favour of re-instating her citizenship returning her to the uk and then putting her on trial for what ever crimes she has committed, taking advice from the security services and then dealing with her appropriately. I would have no problem with her being imprisoned in this country if the courts supported it but making someone stateless and leaving them to rot in a refugee camp isn’t the sort of thing a developed liberal democracy should be doing.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
I’ve not seen any polling (would be a weird one to poll) but I would expect it to be a very close run thing just in terms of revoking her citizenship.
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LOL get a grip man, it's not even close, the majority of people in the UK whether they vote Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem don't want the ISIS bride back. She can GTFO, she should have invested some time fighting her case in the Bangladeshi courts instead of just wasting the time of UK courts.

news.sky.com

Shamima Begum: 78% of Britons support revoking IS bride's UK citizenship - Sky Data poll

Eight in 10 Britons think Sajid Javid is right to remove her UK citizenship - as Bangladesh insists she is not a dual citizen.
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The vast majority of the British public support the home secretary's decision to remove the UK citizenship of Islamic State recruit Shamima Begum, a Sky Data poll reveals.

Eight in 10 Britons (78%) think Sajid Javid was right to remove the 19-year-old's citizenship, with 15% saying he was wrong, and 7% unsure.
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Only 15% say it was the wrong decision!
 
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dowie said:
LOL get a grip man, it's not even close, the majority of people in the UK whether they vote Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem don't want the ISIS bride back. She can GTFO, she should have invested some time fighting her case in the Bangladeshi courts instead of just wasting the time of UK courts.
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and yet they all turned their backs on the 400+ proper murderers who have come back to this country.
It's laughable people are worked up by this groomed girl.
 
200sols said:
Actions have consequences also appears to have fallen out of common knowledge.
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but if she was a white 15 year old girl groomed by an ISIS fighter things would have been treated differently and I think we all know that.
Don't get me wrong, I think 15 year olds know right from wrong and she deserves to rot but so should all those ISIS fighters who are now living back here and on a watchlist.
 
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