Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride to find out if she can return to UK

but if she was a white 15 year old girl groomed by an ISIS fighter things would have been treated differently and I think we all know that.
Don't get me wrong, I think 15 year olds know right from wrong and she deserves to rot but so should all those ISIS fighters who are now living back here and on a watchlist.
None of them should have been allowed back in, but I assume the other scum didn't have dual nationality.
 
but if she was a white 15 year old girl groomed by an ISIS fighter things would have been treated differently and I think we all know that.

How do we know that? Are we talking about a white 15 year old girl with the potential for dual citzenship, or a white 15 year old girl with British citizenship only, and no potential for any other? I feel like this is important for a direct comparison.
 
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I don't even think it's 'their base' tbh. I loathe the current government but have little doubt it would have overwhelming support in Begums case.
I think that's probably correct.

Also I would suspect that most of those people wouldn't care if the UK govt had had to break a dozen international conventions or even it's own laws, in order to do so.

If we decided everything by the consensus of a mob (effectively), we'd probably have brought back the death penalty, and/or be dumping people in Rwanda left, right and centre. Many people just go with their gut/emotional response. And they don't value the law or due process until they personally need its protection.
 
I think that's probably correct.

Also I would suspect that most of those people wouldn't care if the UK govt had had to break a dozen international conventions or even it's own laws, in order to do so.

If we decided everything by the consensus of a mob (effectively), we'd probably have brought back the death penalty, and/or be dumping people in Rwanda left, right and centre. Many people just go with their gut/emotional response. And they don't value the law or due process until they personally need its protection.

Do we take her husband too?
 
Do we take her husband too?
He's Dutch, so no? Is he still alive? I've not been following his case.

Interestingly, from what I've read most other countries have taken their fighters back, and prosecuted them. Which is the way I would have preferred to do it. She can spend her time in a UK jail, for as long as the legal system requires it.
 
Surely it wouldn't be safe for her in the UK anyway.

are we supposed to fund a new identity and police protection, give them a nice comfy life to keep them safe?
 
He's Dutch, so no? Is he still alive? I've not been following his case.

Interestingly, from what I've read most other countries have taken their fighters back, and prosecuted them. Which is the way I would have preferred to do it. She can spend her time in a UK jail, for as long as the legal system requires it.

He might also be Indonesian too. Might want to follow the case. The contradiction between the couple’s statements raise even more concerns.
 
but if she was a white 15 year old girl groomed by an ISIS fighter things would have been treated differently and I think we all know that.
Don't get me wrong, I think 15 year olds know right from wrong and she deserves to rot but so should all those ISIS fighters who are now living back here and on a watchlist.
We don't know that at all. Perhaps in your mind you treat white terrorists differently but not all of us do that.
 
We don't know that at all. Perhaps in your mind you treat white terrorists differently but not all of us do that.
some people must assume every white muslin is someone whos been radicalized and converted against their will.

sounds kinda racist

wasnt the british woman who had something to do with a mall bombing in africa white?

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should we presume she needs saving and it's not her fault?

how many brits do you think want to forgive h er and get her back here because shes white?

lovely young girl, must be innocent, not her fault she did terrible things, we can still save her
 
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some people must assume every white muslin is someone whos been radicalized and converted against their will.

sounds kinda racist

Distinctions need to be made between Islam and the extremist ideology and factions within the faith.

Islam isn’t a race of people BTW.
 
Did i say that ? No i didnt. You are a visitor for all intense and purpose, so yes you need to try harder to fit on, obay strange rules, learn the language etc etc.

What’s so funny about being expected to learn English if you want to live in England?
What’s probably funny is the person stating they should learn the language when they use the word ‘intense’ instead of ‘intents’
 
Despite what she did against this country,
Despite the fact she rallies against our British values,
Despite the fact she's making threats and mocking about 80% of the country,
Despite the fact she's been abroad to support a bunch of anti-democratic crackpots,
I think we should all think very hard before removing Lizz Truss' citizenship.

Shamelessly stolen and paraphrased.
 
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but if she was a white 15 year old girl groomed by an ISIS fighter things would have been treated differently and I think we all know that.
Don't get me wrong, I think 15 year olds know right from wrong and she deserves to rot but so should all those ISIS fighters who are now living back here and on a watchlist.

Depends on what other nationalities they have.

Likewise suppose some British couple move to Australia, have a daughter and she ended up in a similar situation. Such a person is British by virtue of having British parents, if Australia were to take a similar approach and were to revoke that person's citizenship then she'd be British by default and the onus would be on the UK government to deal with her.

Similar situation with Bangladesh, the government there can claim whatever they like just as some PM in the UK could try and claim to deny the Aussie/Brit but that's not necessarily the legal position.

Ultimately if someone is a dual national then their citizenship can be revoked, the issue arises when someone has only one nationality and they become stateless and in this instance that's the fault of Bangladesh (and indeed Shamima for not brining her case in Bangladeshi courts). Funny how the fundamentalists who hate the West still want to live her when things go wrong for them and not an Islamic country that would be a closer cultural fit.
 
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