Shave my balls, bigot!

[Angilion]

Just like children were brainwashed into thinking being gay is normal, and look how that has ended the human race because now all children are gay and it's illegal to be straight.

I don't recall organisations sending people to school to tell children they were gay if they in any way didn't conform to the stereotyping that organisation was promoting.

I don't recall organisations giving children drugs to make them gay.

So no, it's not the same thing at all.

 

[robgmun]

Link me the credible trans lobby that is campaigning to force gay people to change gender please. I've never heard of such an organisation.

I don't know about what Foxeye is talking about, i await his reply, but i do find the presence of organizations like Mermaids and what they promote in schools highly disturbing.

 

[Caracus2k]

As I asked before, please link this trans lobby and their stated goals. At the moment all you've done is show a newspaper article depicting one persons complaints about a specific treatment centre.

I want a link to the trans lobby that is forcing this on kids just like the gay lobbies of the 80's forced kids to be gay.

You seem to think that you can win by straw manning (personing)? an argument I and to a certain extent others haven't really made?

For clarity if think FoxEye was being hyperbolic when they said that trans ideology would pretty much do away with gay people. I don't think it will do this but it's certainly doing so harm to some groups.

Vulnerable children are being rushed down a medicalised path towards irreversibally changing their bodies.

Historically a lot of gender non conforming children would grow up and come 'out' as gay adults.

I have a family member myslef that exactly mimics this pattern A boy who played with dolls and grew up to be a camp, married gay man.

These days trans groups go into schools in the UK and show diagrams with a spectrum on it from things like pink barbie dolls to Gi joes and say that children who exhibit atypical preferences and expression as demonstrated by the spectrum they present may well be trans.

As I have already shown concerns have been raised that these children are then inappropriately and quickly sent down a medicalised path.

Children are very impressionable and when a child might struggle to stand out elsewhere amongst their peers coming out as being 'trans' may be a tactic they may use to get attention from adults and other children.


You won't find a link for the trans lobby saying that they want to turn gay kids trans....

But what does actually happen is that kids exploring their sexuality and personalities are told that their non conformity is because they were 'born into the wrong bodies ' and that the remedy to this is to block puberty, take cross sex hormones and have surgery to approximate the physical form for their alleged correct sex because they actually are not the sex they were born into (the whole sex / gender confusion doesn't help - sex is inherent and unchangeable in humans so far as current technology allows. Most peoples gender expression aligns fairly well with

When a disproportionate amount of these children also have other mental/ psychological issues like autism you have to wonder how this view could ever be justified as being evidence based and in the children's bst interests.

 

[FoxEye]

Bolding mine. You use these kinds of replies often.

It adds nothing, it's tedious, it posits that your views are global, and it's nonsense. And you're now arguing with a teacher so roll out those 'guesses' and 'we know's because that will work out well, won't it?

You're always so desperate to pounce on everything I say. It's so pathetic Mags. You really are the most pathetic and awful person I've ever met. Honestly.

"We know" because the stats that are released show the trends.

The "guess" was only in as much as I could not know whether he took any role in the process or whether he didn't because there was a school councillor to perform that function. That is the limit of the "guess".

The results of the process are not a guess because they are quantified with statistics.

Now why don't you get stuffed, eh? I'm sick of your BS.

 

[RDM]

You're always so desperate to pounce on everything I say. It's so pathetic Mags. You really are the most pathetic and awful person I've ever met. Honestly.

"We know" because the stats that are released show the trends.

The "guess" was only in as much as I could not know whether he took any role in the process or whether he didn't because there was a school councillor to perform that function. That is the limit of the "guess".

The results of the process are not a guess because they are quantified with statistics.

Now why don't you get stuffed, eh? I'm sick of your BS.

I did ask for the statistics in question but, while mentioning them several times, you haven’t actually given them to me or pointed them out. I was a Analyst/Programmer before I became a teacher so I am really fairly handy with data.

In my teaching experience schools really don’t have a huge amount of spare time to do any real social engineering. We don’t have a school counsellor per se though we do have some pastoral support. The vast majority of pastoral support comes for form tutors (of which I am one) and heads of year. There is certainly no widespread agenda in the school I teach at and, I would imagine, at the vast majority of mainstream state schools as they all operate in very much the same way.

I certainly wouldn't use the mermaids “gender spectrum” as it goes against what I believe in, that gender is pretty much a social construct and there are no such thing as girl subjects and boy subjects.

While there are, without doubt, some very vociferous social media trans activists I am not entirely sure that they are really indicative of the group as a whole or as powerful and widespread as some seem to think.

Seriously most schools have more than enough to worry about getting kids through exams than to try widescale social engineering.

 

[NotAGolf]

I have nothing useful to contribute, only to congratulate the OP on one of the best thread titles ever. Every time I scroll down the list of threads it puts a little smile on my face.

 

[hurfdurf]

I don't recall organisations sending people to school to tell children they were gay if they in any way didn't conform to the stereotyping that organisation was promoting.

I don't recall organisations giving children drugs to make them gay.

So no, it's not the same thing at all.

These things were bandied about during the 80's, including recently about how children were being taught how to have Gay Sex (they weren't, they were just being informed about homosexual relationships)

Can you link me to the organisations that are sending people to school to tell kids they are trans and then giving them drugs to make them trans?

I don't know about what Foxeye is talking about, i await his reply, but i do find the presence of organizations like Mermaids and what they promote in schools highly disturbing.

Mermaids offer a fantastic service, but they don't go looking for kids, kids approach them for help. Their crisis line has stopped some children killing themselves. The media discussion around this issue is woefully misinformed, homophobic and transphobic.

 

[hurfdurf]

These days trans groups go into schools in the UK and show diagrams with a spectrum on it from things like pink barbie dolls to Gi joes and say that children who exhibit atypical preferences and expression as demonstrated by the spectrum they present may well be trans.

So, they come to the school, and they present a gender spectrum, and tell kids that they *might* be trans, and offer support and someone to talk to if they feel they need to. Cool. That sounds like a good idea to me. Doesn't sound like they are giving anyone drugs or telling people they have to be trans, they are just allowing kids the option to talk.

OH NO!!!!

Is it any wonder now that society is more accepting and more aware of issues that the topic is being discussed more and people are more open to seeking the services?

In the article you have linked, the journalist doesn't actually show anything you have said. Just that all of "one american mother" shared a story where nothing really has occured, which isn't backed up so probably complete transphobic nonsense from an out of touch mother who hasn't got a relationship with her child.

I compare that to something like this - https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents-voices.html

 

[FoxEye]

Te media discussion around this issue is woefully misinformed, homophobic and transphobic.

You keep trying to equate these two, which is a common tactic of the trans lobbying movement.

To spread the idea that people who aren't pro-trans are necessarily homophobic. It's a deliberate attempt to use the general acceptance of homosexuality to force the general acceptance of the trans agenda. And to equate so-called "transphobia" with homophobia.

And thus to legitimise any kind of abuse of young people, or vulnerable people and to label those who object as guilty of some manner of hate speech.

And then repeatedly refusing to even accept that many times the outcome of these "transitions" is suicide and regret. You won't even address that when it is raised. You just completely ignore the issue.

 

[Raumarik]

So, they come to the school, and they present a gender spectrum, and tell kids that they *might* be trans, and offer support and someone to talk to if they feel they need to. Cool. That sounds like a good idea to me. Doesn't sound like they are giving anyone drugs or telling people they have to be trans, they are just allowing kids the option to talk.

OH NO!!!!

Is it any wonder now that society is more accepting and more aware of issues that the topic is being discussed more and people are more open to seeking the services?

In the article you have linked, the journalist doesn't actually show anything you have said. Just that all of "one american mother" shared a story where nothing really has occured, which isn't backed up so probably complete transphobic nonsense from an out of touch mother who hasn't got a relationship with her child.

I compare that to something like this - https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents-voices.html

Or is iit that it was previously considered something which would be treated by medical professionals as a mental wellbeing issue? We seem to not only be forced into “accepting” this, but also threatened if we don’t wholeheartidly go along with what is to me anyway a bit of a dillusion. My Grandma thought she worked in a ship canteen in her final months, didn’t mean we all started dressing up and going along with it.

If they wish to change gender, go ahead but you are still biologically the sex you were born and I don’t see why everyone else should be mandated to go along with it. I could identify as a slim dude with a great head of hair - I tell you know you’d laugh if you saw me.. but hey remember that’s how I identify lol.

Seems to me in my personal experience that this is something being pushed by groups with an agenda, being picked up on by left leaning media and politicians and forced on everyone. People are afraid to speak out against it and air genuine concerns (like I have for my daughter). I would be sacked if I said half of what I’ve written here at work.. just think about that, I’d be sacked for having an opinion which does no harm to anyone other than a few hurt feelings.

 

[hurfdurf]

You keep trying to equate these two, which is a common tactic of the trans lobbying movement.

I am not equating the two, which is why I used them separately.....

They are two different things. What we are seeing how ever is a rehashing of the old homophobic tropes now being bought out and just changed slightly with the word Trans replacing the word Gay.

To spread the idea that people who aren't pro-trans are necessarily homophobic. It's a deliberate attempt to use the general acceptance of homosexuality to force the general acceptance of the trans agenda. And to equate so-called "transphobia" with homophobia.

And then repeatedly refusing to even accept that many times the outcome of these "transitions" is suicide and regret. You won't even address that when it is raised. You just completely ignore the issue.

Care to show all these suicides and regret and compare and contrast them with people who want to be trans but are not allowed to be? I know which boat I would rather be in.

People make decisions and regret them, that's fine, if someone wants to be trans they have to really want it and go through a lot of Dr's to get there, no one is doing it lightly or being pressured to do it.

 

[hurfdurf]

Or is iit that it was previously considered something which would be treated by medical professionals as a mental wellbeing issue? We seem to not only be forced into “accepting” this, but also threatened if we don’t wholeheartidly go along with what is to me anyway a bit of a dillusion. My Grandma thought she worked in a ship canteen in her final months, didn’t mean we all started dressing up and going along with it.

If they wish to change gender, go ahead but you are still biologically the sex you were born and I don’t see why everyone else should be mandated to go along with it. I could identify as a slim dude with a great head of hair - I tell you know you’d laugh if you saw me.. but hey remember that’s how I identify lol.

Seems to me in my personal experience that this is something being pushed by groups with an agenda, being picked up on by left leaning media and politicians and forced on everyone. People are afraid to speak out against it and air genuine concerns (like I have for my daughter). I would be sacked if I said half of what I’ve written here at work.. just think about that, I’d be sacked for having an opinion which does no harm to anyone other than a few hurt feelings.

I love how you think your life is going to be made so miserable because you are constantly going to be forced to call brutish looking men women all of a sudden, as if this is a thing in modern life that affects you. Feel free to not go along with it all you want, I doubt you interact with many trans people, and the ones that you do come across, I doubt you have noticed they have transitioned and have probably called them by the gender they want to be called by, and not been any the wiser! (despite your ********* feelings on the subject)

Ah yes, the left leaning media who..... managed to get Mermaids, a consistently award winning charity, get their lottery funding cancelled.

 

[FoxEye]

Care to show all these suicides and regret and compare and contrast them with people who want to be trans but are not allowed to be? I know which boat I would rather be in.

You can Google the same as I can.

People make decisions and regret them, that's fine

Yes having non-reversable life-altering surgery and hormone blockers is fine even for adolescents, what's the big deal? If they regret it too bad?

if someone wants to be trans they have to really want it and go through a lot of Dr's to get there, no one is doing it lightly or being pressured to do it.

Seems those safeguards are becoming unfashionable tho, partly due to the lobbying of radical trans groups.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...erred-gender-identity-clinics-has-quadrupled/

 

[Malevolence]

Mine were done last night, today has been irritating to say the least.

 

[hurfdurf]

You can Google the same as I can.

You are making the claim, I am not, burden of proof is on you.

Yes having non-reversable life-altering surgery and hormone blockers is fine even for adolescents, what's the big deal? If they regret it too bad?

Please show where this is happening

Seems those safeguards are becoming unfashionable tho, partly due to the lobbying of radical trans groups.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...erred-gender-identity-clinics-has-quadrupled/

Where in that article does it say the safeguards are being changed? In fact, the Dr running GIDS says "Children can only be referred to GIDS by their GP or by the child and adolescent mental health service."

And the criticism is coming from radical feminist TERF Dr Joanna Williams, a university lecturer and author of the book Women vs Feminism, who is, surprise surprise, out to sell books....

 

[FoxEye]

You are making the claim, I am not, burden of proof is on you.

Except that these days Google really is all you need.

All I'd be doing is collating links. A service Google already provides.

So I won't be bothering. It's not like you have to look hard.

Besides you wouldn't change your tune no matter how many people peronally told you "transitioning" was a mistake.

You have drawn your lines and you have chosen to be a trans-lobbyist supporter because you like to align yourself with the extreme end of the "social justice" movement. Whether you believe in that nonsense or whether you're just in it for the lols I'm not quite sure.

 

[Raumarik]

I love how you think your life is going to be made so miserable because you are constantly going to be forced to call brutish looking men women all of a sudden, as if this is a thing in modern life that affects you.

Burden of proof is on you to prove where I said I was miserable or my life was miserable. If it's OK for you to make that demand of others, it's fine for me.

Feel free to not go along with it all you want, I doubt you interact with many trans people, and the ones that you do come across, I doubt you have noticed they have transitioned and have probably called them by the gender they want to be called by, and not been any the wiser! (despite your ********* feelings on the subject)
Ah yes, the left leaning media who..... managed to get Mermaids, a consistently award winning charity, get their lottery funding cancelled.

I work with a trans woman, have done for many years. I struggle not to call her by her previous male name not because I am bigoted (although I've no doubt you will claim I am without knowing me) but because I have known her for years prior to her divorcing her wife, walking out on the kids and deciding to be a trans woman. I personally think it's perfectly normal to struggle to remember that someone is now magically a woman because they changed their minds.

Didn't know about Mermaids, great news though, hopefully it doesn't get it's funding reinstated later when the push back dies down.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/suicide/

 

[Raumarik]

You have drawn your lines and you have chosen to be a trans-lobbyist supporter because you like to align yourself with the extreme end of the "social justice" movement. Whether you believe in that nonsense or whether you're just in it for the lols I'm not quite sure.

Nail/Head there @FoxEye little point debating someone who's so utterly blind to fact.

 

[Angilion]

These things were bandied about during the 80's [..]

No, they weren't. You're making it up.

If you want to continue with that claim, do what you demand of others and provide links.

 

[hurfdurf]

No, they weren't. You're making it up.

If you want to continue with that claim, do what you demand of others and provide links.

https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/1980s-a-decade-of-state-sanctioned-homophobia/

Thatcher was so homophobic she actively banned the "promotion" of homosexuality with Section 28, including not allowing gay people to be seen as having a right to be gay never mind be talked about existing in school.

Surprised you didn't know these very basic things.