Poll: Should Alex Ferguson go? (Poll please)

[Raymond Lin]

We'll be stuck with this senile old *******

Have people forgot this senile old git is the most successful Man U manager ever had ? It's not like the team are stuck in mid table. Man U came 2nd !!!!!!!!!!! and been in the Champion's League everyear for the past i dunno, bloody ages ! just because they did badly in 1 season some people want him go.

The next Manu U manager will not be Half as sucessful and won't last half as long as AF. In fact he'll probably get the team stuck in mid table or worst regulated, anyone remember Leeds ?

 

[Gooner14]

The next Manu U manager will not be Half as sucessful and won't last half as long as AF. In fact he'll probably get the team stuck in mid table or worst regulated, anyone remember Leeds ?

Whats Warren G got to do with it?......

 

[ballistic]

There's a difference between not winning it every season and not making the last 8 for 3 years running. The carling cup is his only 'success' in 3 years, really great isn't it? Ferguson deserves to be sacked for that alone given his big spending - rio, horseface, rooney, ronaldo, saha and veron.
You can hardly compare it to Wenger's team, look how much he's spent, when was the last time he bought a player for over 20 million pounds. Manchester United are a bigger club and should be doing better than arsenal. People weren't calling for Wenger's head because he hasn't turned into a complete moron yet.

 

[Gilly]

The next Manu U manager will not be Half as sucessful and won't last half as long as AF. In fact he'll probably get the team stuck in mid table or worst regulated, anyone remember Leeds ?

[edit]Hang on, are you saying Leeds were relegated because O'Leary went? :/

 

[Martynt74]

Have people forgot this senile old git is the most successful Man U manager ever had ? It's not like the team are stuck in mid table. Man U came 2nd !!!!!!!!!!! and been in the Champion's League everyear for the past i dunno, bloody ages ! just because they did badly in 1 season some people want him go.

Its not just this season though, which has argueably been our most successful out of the last 3 seasons, with us winning a trophy and coming second

 

[lemonkettaz]

man utd had an incredible run last season...

if they performed like that from the start then they'd be back in business...

but they start pretty sloppy...you cant have a sloppy start in the premiership anymore...

i think 4games is the most you can afford to lose ..... at MOST

 

[The Running Man]

we cant have been that good, we dropped loads of points at the end of the season, when it could have been crucial, and almost came 3rd!

 

[NokkonWud]

There's a difference between not winning it every season and not making the last 8 for 3 years running. The carling cup is his only 'success' in 3 years, really great isn't it? Ferguson deserves to be sacked for that alone given his big spending - rio, horseface, rooney, ronaldo, saha and veron.
You can hardly compare it to Wenger's team, look how much he's spent, when was the last time he bought a player for over 20 million pounds. Manchester United are a bigger club and should be doing better than arsenal. People weren't calling for Wenger's head because he hasn't turned into a complete moron yet.

Out of that list:
Rio: FA Cup (1), Carling Cup (1)
Ruud: Premiership (1), FA Cup (1), Carling Cup (1)
Rooney: Carling Cup (1)
Ronaldo: FA Cup (1), Carling Cup (1)
Saha: Carling Cup (1)
Veron: Premiership (1), FA Cup (1).

Not like he hasn't won anything with those players.

 

[memphisto]

Taggart has nowhere near the successful history in the transfer market that Wenger has. Not even close.

got to disagree there gilly.

Fergie had a fantastic transfer record up unitl about 4-5 years ago, when he had little to no money to spend he could pull out class acts like no one else.

however if we are comparing recent transfer records then I would have to agree that wenger has had the much better buys

it is very skewed if you just take fergusons last 4-5 years as his overall man utd career.

buys such as / Schmiechel / cantona / Kanchelskis etc etc were fantastic signings for the money paid and certainly on the same level as some of wengers better signings. recently though he has made some shocking buys and far more of them then wenger.

 

[Gilly]

Yeah but you can't just pick and choose which bits to look at. Wenger has been and still is very astute at picking up players.

Taggart has some good buys in his history, but on the face of it now, he's been absolutely terrible for years. Maybe those previous signings were all down to his backroom staff (who Taggart is still responsible for).

There has to be some reason he's so **** at it now...

 

[memphisto]

Yeah but you can't just pick and choose which bits to look at. Wenger has been and still is very astute at picking up players.

Taggart has some good buys in his history, but on the face of it now, he's been absolutely terrible for years. Maybe those previous signings were all down to his backroom staff (who Taggart is still responsible for).

There has to be some reason he's so **** at it now...

i think thats part of it, but also a change in ferguson, he just doesnt seem interested in buying anyone who isnt valued at £10million plus, he wants big names at the club now. maybe it has a lot to do with what TS said before in terms of scouting, but there is defiently something a mis, I mean take last summer for example both Van bommel and Davids available of free transfers and fergie was nowhere near either of them although had we signed them maybe the season would not have turned out as it did.

but recent history wise wenger defiently has out manouvered fergie in the transfer market.

Wenger himelf though has bought some tripe inhis time as im sure the arsenal fans will admit to, the likes of cygan, stepanovs, svard etc etc.

 

[red11]

Have people forgot this senile old git is the most successful Man U manager ever had ? It's not like the team are stuck in mid table. Man U came 2nd !!!!!!!!!!! and been in the Champion's League everyear for the past i dunno, bloody ages ! just because they did badly in 1 season some people want him go.

The next Manu U manager will not be Half as sucessful and won't last half as long as AF. In fact he'll probably get the team stuck in mid table or worst regulated, anyone remember Leeds ?

Man Utd fans have not and will not forget how much success Ferguson brought to Old Trafford. Please don't use that card as an argument for him to stay as manager because it's weak. I'd like him to retire before he puts himself in an early grave. He is a heart attack waiting to happen. I'm not going to go over old ground because I've pretty much covered my feelings about Ferguson here and in other threads.

And Leeds, c'mon. I'm now convinced you don't even watch football.

 

[Loki]

Yeah but you can't just pick and choose which bits to look at. Wenger has been and still is very astute at picking up players.

Taggart has some good buys in his history, but on the face of it now, he's been absolutely terrible for years. Maybe those previous signings were all down to his backroom staff (who Taggart is still responsible for).

There has to be some reason he's so **** at it now...

Yeah obviously garbage in the transfer market. You always finish in the top four by buying consistently carp players and talk about letting blind rivallry get in the way of good debate. Firstly hes a control freak who does everything himself then all his successfull players he has bought have been down to pure fluke by his backroom staff

Steve Bruce
Dennis Irwin
Garry Pallister
Paul Parker
Paul Ince
Roy Keane
Eric Cantona
Dwight Yorke
Andy Cole
Wayne Rooney
Mark Hughes
Peter Schmeichel

With the exception of Wayne Rooney, all terrific purchases at bargain prices. He must have been one lucky guy as for I know he has changed his backroom staff at least four times in his stewardship at the club. All with the ability to cover up for his shortcomings in the transfer market



Agreed some purchases of late have not been of the standard and the blame firmly lies at his door if he isnt scouting as much as what he should be.

People in glass houses Gilly and all that

 

[Gilly]

Not much of that makes sense to be honest. For a start, where did I call him a control freak? Next, have I been talking to Tony Soprano and others recently in a reasoned way and sharing opinions without judgements being clouded by rivalry? I think so. Just because I say you're wrong doesn't mean I'm doing so because I'm a Leeds fan.

As I said to Memphisto, you can't pick and choose times and transfers. You need to look at the whole picture.

You've listed 12 players that you say are top signings at good prices. Out of them all only 4 are still playing (possibly 5, not sure what Yorke is doing, believe he came out of retirement to play International). Of those 5, one has retired once and come back (Yorke), another was coaxed out of retirement (Ince), another was reportedly close to retirement (Keane)...

If those are the examples you have then you've 100% proved my point.

BTW, because I'm a Leeds fan I can't have an opinion? Is that what you mean by your 'glass houses' comment? It certainly reads that way.

 

[Gooner14]

Wenger himelf though has bought some tripe inhis time as im sure the arsenal fans will admit to, the likes of cygan, stepanovs, svard etc etc.

Svard Never really had a chance and was just a youth player who didn't make it.

There isn't a manager in football who hasn't made a bad signing. FACT.

 

[red11]

A lot of those player's transfer fees were British records at the time. Looking back we can laugh and joke that a few million or hundred thousand is nothing but back then it was a lot of money and could have bought more than 1 player. Ferguson has found talent without doubt, I have no qualms about that. But recent transfer activity aside, he does not have the ability to scout good young players.

15 years ago Ferguson basically managed our senior team, reserve team and youth team. He went to every game possible, watched every player at the club and assessed whether they cut the mustard. Now he does not have that same involvement and it shows. Our success with the youth team can mainly be put down to Brian McClair. He has done wonders for us behind the scenes. He has had success with the reserve team and youth team and the likes of Rossi, Pique, Bardsley and Richardson have blossomed under him.

I'm not saying Ferguson should return to those ways because he is too old to do it, but no one can deny Ferguson has alienated himself from the players and fans and lives in a dream world with Queiroz. It was obvious that Rooney even from a few years ago would develop into something very special and I'm glad Ferguson showed some guts in making sure he was bought. But he is putting too much on his shoulders by not building the team Rooney really needs around him. The midfield has been a shambles for a few years, instead of realising he made grave errors in the transfer market, Ferguson selfishly kept said players on the bench for a good long while instead of doing what was best for the club and getting rid of them, but he had to save face.

I'll be watching and hoping he pulls the cat out of the bag this summer and believe me I want him to. But it saddens me that he is making a different type of history at the club these days and no one is prepared to do anything about it. His interests in the club are not just about football and that is usually the time the person has got to go.

 

[andi]

I'm happy with him to stay for now. The only team to finish higher in the league have an unlimited bank account to throw around. If it wasn't for Abramovich's millions, we'd still be very succesful. Most clubs would kill to be in our position.

 

[ballistic]

Most clubs would kill to be in our position.

For sure, but most clubs didn't and don't have a fraction of your transfer budget. Anyway, that's no excuse for winning only the carling cup in 3 years.

 

[Loki]

Not much of that makes sense to be honest. For a start, where did I call him a control freak? Next, have I been talking to Tony Soprano and others recently in a reasoned way and sharing opinions without judgements being clouded by rivalry? I think so. Just because I say you're wrong doesn't mean I'm doing so because I'm a Leeds fan.

As I said to Memphisto, you can't pick and choose times and transfers. You need to look at the whole picture.

You've listed 12 players that you say are top signings at good prices. Out of them all only 4 are still playing (possibly 5, not sure what Yorke is doing, believe he came out of retirement to play International). Of those 5, one has retired once and come back (Yorke), another was coaxed out of retirement (Ince), another was reportedly close to retirement (Keane)...

If those are the examples you have then you've 100% proved my point.

BTW, because I'm a Leeds fan I can't have an opinion? Is that what you mean by your 'glass houses' comment? It certainly reads that way.

Maybe the glass houses comment was a bit wide of the mark and apologies for that. Maybe my rant came across at you when it should be directed to the thread in general. I just don't buy into the fact that he is particulalry as bad in the transfer market as he is made out to be. Moreover you get some people calling him a control freak who must do everything himslef then you get others saying hes out with his horses all day and lost his appetite for the game

He is no different than any other manager. For every Xavi Alonson Rafa Benitez buys he will always buy a Josemi. For every Kolo Toure Arsene Wenger picks up he always picks up a Stepanovs as well. If memory serves correct Ferguson is one of the only manager to actually make a profit from the transfer market since the premiership began.

 

[memphisto]

For sure, but most clubs didn't and don't have a fraction of your transfer budget. Anyway, that's no excuse for winning only the carling cup in 3 years.

and the FA Cup in 2004