Should more games be released like GT5p?

[Streeteh]

calm it down, everyone seems to be taking the whole GT5 thing very seriously. Getting very defensive over a car game.

Hilly even states he's not criticising those who buy it.

As for the whole is it a demo, isn't it thing, does anybody actually know if GTHD demo is the same engine as GT5 ? It features the same track thats in GT5P but in a different thread I was told its just HD GT4.

From my rather limited understanding, GT:HD uses an early build of the GT5 graphics engine but uses GT4 physics. The track in it is in GT5 however they have made some small changes both in terms of track layout and appearance, the first thing i did in gt5 was buy a suszuki cappuchino (which is also in GT:HD) and throw it around the track that is also in GT:HD to see how the handling felt - it was completely different and (imo) much better.

I wouldn't call GT:HD a demo of GT5 by any means, its just an abandoned project that they stuck up for free on the PSN.

 

[Hilly]

calm it down, everyone seems to be taking the whole GT5 thing very seriously. Getting very defensive over a car game.

Hilly even states he's not criticising those who buy it.

As for the whole is it a demo, isn't it thing, does anybody actually know if GTHD demo is the same engine as GT5 ? It features the same track thats in GT5P but in a different thread I was told its just HD GT4.

Thank you, it seems as though that point which I made was over looked.

And I never said you were paying full price for it, quite the opposite.

Any way I've made my point,

 

[Kreeeee]

No, people whine enough about MS micro transactions, we don't need to pay for each patched demo.

 

[rp2000]

calm it down, everyone seems to be taking the whole GT5 thing very seriously. Getting very defensive over a car game.

Hilly even states he's not criticising those who buy it.

As for the whole is it a demo, isn't it thing, does anybody actually know if GTHD demo is the same engine as GT5 ? It features the same track thats in GT5P but in a different thread I was told its just HD GT4.

It Isn't.

GTHD Concept is the freebie everyone got (think HD GT4 in simple terms).

GT5rologue Demo was released in Japan at the same time as the japan motorshow and was a demo of the game that everyone is playing now. (That demo was only available during the Motorshow and is not on any other stores).

GT5 is the game that people in this thread are playing.

VFM is relative I guess.

Warhawk is not a demo as it is an online only game so it costs less than a game with MP and SP.

No-one minded paying RRP for Crackdown on the basis it had a beta in their for Halo 3. Does not matter if Crackdown was an excellent game. Most People bought it for Halo 3 beta.

Table Tennis was a cheap game which was just a technology demo/beta/test for full GTA4. Hence it was a 20 pound game (again excellent game).

(Unless I am mistaken the majority of people knocking its VFM or demo status in this thread do not own a PS3 or have not played the game, which makes any value for money comparisons invalid surely? (how can you judge the value if you have not paid for it).

In 2 months people are gonna buy a crappy XBLA game to get onto the SF2:HD Remix beta (I am one of them!!!)

p.s. Tekken 5 is the best value game on PSN (I got it when it was new and cheap )

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rp2000

 

[wannabedamned]

wow, So many people would seem to be happier if the Prologue was never released.

No one is forcing you to buy it, It doesn't change the fact the game won't be out for a good while.

I'm pretty sure if GT5 Prologue was just 1 track and a few cars, it would indeed be free.

But it's not, The company have put together a massive chunk of a game, LOADS of cars and loads of laps, with advancement, online play and tuning.

They could have not released prologue and kept everyone waiting for the full game, Maybe keep the tears away for a few people in doing so.

but they didn't they released it, For slightly more than last gen TEKKEN with online play which people don't mind paying for.

As said, Value for money wise, If you haven't played it, You don't know the value.

I have played it, It's great. And it's got me very excited for what's to come.

 

[Kreeeee]

wow, So many people would seem to be happier if the Prologue was never released.

No one is forcing you to buy it, It doesn't change the fact the game won't be out for a good while.

I'm pretty sure if GT5 Prologue was just 1 track and a few cars, it would indeed be free.

But it's not, The company have put together a massive chunk of a game, LOADS of cars and loads of laps, with advancement, online play and tuning.

They could have not released prologue and kept everyone waiting for the full game, Maybe keep the tears away for a few people in doing so.

but they didn't they released it, For slightly more than last gen TEKKEN with online play which people don't mind paying for.

As said, Value for money wise, If you haven't played it, You don't know the value.

I have played it, It's great. And it's got me very excited for what's to come.

Of course they released it. If I was the publisher for GT5 I'd milk it for all it's worth too

 

[NokkonWud]

GT5P

That's not the issue. What you have said is correct in a way, but it's not too balanced.

Yes it has more than 1 track and a few cars as you put it, but let us not forget, those are not for Prologue, those are taken from the section of Gran Turismo 5 they've already made.

The issue is that when GT5 comes out, you won't get your £25 refund back, despite already buying that section of the game. You end up having to buy prologue again as part of the £40/£50 cost of Gran Turismo 5.
That's where I think peoples problems are at the price.

 

[KNiVES]

For a 'demo', Prologue sure lasts a hell of a lot longer than most full games. Explain how GT5 Prologue has lasted far longer than literally every other game in my collection save for Forza 2?

It's got far more content than your average demo, in fact, it still has far more content than a lot of other racing games. It's not a demo at all. People just want to put it down at every opportunity they get, while completely and purposefully overlooking the fact it's the furthest thing from an easy cashcow there is.

Why aren't people complaining about Warhawk? Has way less content. So has Tekken 5 DR. Yet those two games get tons of praise.

 

[Pug]

You end up having to buy prologue again as part of the £40/£50 cost of Gran Turismo 5.
That's where I think peoples problems are at the price.

thats undoubtedly true, but i think its the fact that we get to play it, what, a year early? people surely understand you pay a premium to have things first. we're getting this early, and we know its gonna hit us financially. thing is tho, its £20. 5 pints of beer in london. Plus, when GT5 relases i'm hoping we'll have our bank accounts full, and a nice F1 car to use in the full game

 

[Buffman]

If game companies were to release more advanced demo's like GT5p for a price of around £10-20, would you buy them up? Imagine konami released the first hour of MGS4 for £15 or Rockstar sold first 5 missions of GTA4. Do you think this would work? Would it help the final game or just empty more wallets out?

Sounds like the half life episodes, they only last 4-5 hours at most for me, though I do like to see the game progress better graphically and the cliffhangers are quite good.

 

[Edz]

The issue is that when GT5 comes out, you won't get your £25 refund back, despite already buying that section of the game. You end up having to buy prologue again as part of the £40/£50 cost of Gran Turismo 5.

That's where I think peoples problems are at the price.

Or you can buy all the microtransactions over the next 12 months to own the full game. More than likely making GT5 overall more expensive than the retail product but also meaning Prologue wasn't a waste of money.

 

[Craig321]

If game companies were to release more advanced demo's like GT5p for a price of around £10-20, would you buy them up? Imagine konami released the first hour of MGS4 for £15 or Rockstar sold first 5 missions of GTA4. Do you think this would work? Would it help the final game or just empty more wallets out?

I think it'd encourage more pirating, especially if they started doing this on computer games.

I seriously doubt many people will pay £10-20 for a game with ~70 cars and 5 tracks just to have to pay more money for extra tracks. I know I wouldn't.

 

[mmj_uk]

Most games wouldn't get away with it, it's a testament to GT's success that they are able to do it.

Considering how people pay £5-10 for map packs etc. £18 for Prologue is a bargain.

 

[Vtec9k]

They could have just as easily released GT5P as a full £39.99 game and called the full GT5 game GT6 instead.

It's a mini-game for £20, just like any of the PSN download games. Yet had 90% of the quality of a full release, what's not to like?

I'm not sure other games could follow that model though, anything with a story is out for sure. Perhaps things like UT3 or pure online shooters might work but even then 60 cars * 12 tracks * 6 game modes is a a lot of combinations compared to 6-10 guns and a few maps.

 

[McManicMan]

i've had more fun with the "demo" of GT5 Prolugue than the whole game of Forza 2 or any other "real driving simulator" on any current-gen consoles, so for me £20 has be well worth it.

 

[SooTyLaD]

I am in absolute disbelief at the negativity towards GT5P, for christs sake if you've got some weird issue with it dont bleedin buy it!!!!

leave this excellent little gem to those of us who are happy to pay 17 quid for a little slice of one of the best racing games ever made... if we then have to pay another £39.99 in a year then whoopie, it'll be the same gran turismo buzz all over again but even better...

stop trolling and chill out, seriously it just doesn't matter!!!

 

[Kreeeee]

I am in absolute disbelief at the negativity towards GT5P, for christs sake if you've got some weird issue with it dont bleedin buy it!!!!

leave this excellent little gem to those of us who are happy to pay 17 quid for a little slice of one of the best racing games ever made... if we then have to pay another £39.99 in a year then whoopie, it'll be the same gran turismo buzz all over again but even better...

stop trolling and chill out, seriously it just doesn't matter!!!

Replace GT5p with XBL and the hypocrisy is revealed.

 

[Needles]

Replace GT5p with XBL and the hypocrisy is revealed.

What kind of statement is this? One payment for the GT5p and another for the full game ( no need to buy it if you don't want to .... you still have full function of your console ) compared to a yearly payment for a key function of the console.

Live is worth the money, but the two subjects are completely different.

 

[Kreeeee]

What kind of statement is this? One payment for the GT5p and another for the full game ( no need to buy it if you don't want to .... you still have full function of your console ) compared to a yearly payment for a key function of the console.

Live is worth the money, but the two subjects are completely different.

Not if the GT5 payment method is successful and Sony embrace it, which reading the thread title has led me to believe that this is the topic being discussed.. But I don't wish to get into a big argument about it tonight.

 

[Needles]

Not if the GT5 payment method is successful and Sony embrace it. But I don't wish to get into a big argument about it tonight.

The prologue method happened with GT4 and nothing sinister appeared from it, and if you don't wish for somebody to call you on your posts .... then don't write such silly statements.