Should prohibition end?

mdb08 said:
How do you know for certain, that they are cut with just a form of sugar or caffeine? I however, do not know for certain that they are not but if I was to entertain the idea of consuming it from a legitimate and reputable source, I would certainly want to know what was in it.
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I analyse the stuff for a living.


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^TANK^ said:
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I would be quite happy for the UK to have Singapore stance on drugs.

Taken from WikiTravel .

WARNING: Singapore treats drug offences extremely severely. The death penalty is mandatory for those convicted of trafficking, manufacturing, importing or exporting more than 15 g of heroin, 30 g of morphine, 30 g of cocaine, 500 g of cannabis, 200 g of cannabis resin and 1.2 kg of opium, and possession of these quantities is all that is needed for you to be convicted. For unauthorised consumption, there is a maximum of 10 years' jail or fine of $20,000, or both. You can be charged for unauthorised consumption as long as traces of illicit drugs are found in your system, even if you can prove that they were consumed outside the country, and you can be charged for trafficking as long as drugs are found in bags that are in your possession or in your room, even if they aren't yours and regardless of whether you're aware of them.

Have that you dirty ******* pond life scum lol .
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When you think about it though - this really is quite ridiculous.

Why should the state kill people for what they put into their own body? If taking drugs causes them to go out and commit other crimes, I might be with you, but the actual act of taking the drug being grounds to execute someone? Jeez, you worry me more than drug addicts.
 
Maximum Triceratops - Only if there is a predisposition.

Due to my aspergers I get hyper pretty much all the time (those of you who met me at the may meet will probably agree :D) and weed is the one thing that can calm me down. no one that I know has ever been violent as a result of smoking weed, whereas several of my friends occasionally have punchups due to alcohol.

I for one am in favour of legalising weed at least, the government could undercut the dealers, putting them out of business yet still be making a massive profit... Dealers Mark it up so much, 20 bags very ridiculously between dealers.

18+ for smoking, alcohol and weed. This is how England should be, but it won't be because of the media hype. People should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies, yet they cant because of the government ignoring studies. I'm still really annoyed at how people believed the whole OMFG MMR IS BAD!!!!1111 because of the studies, which were later proved to be false, yet people ignore these studies that weed is actually beneficial to some members of the populous, and to others is just a harmless recreational thing, much less harmful than smoking or drinking...
 
So your stance has changed from the government taxing the sale of currently illegal substances to giving away currently illegal substances to:

Increased addicted population
Increased cost of treatment
Increased cost of severely diminished
Reduced costs of enforcement

I have never seen a conclusive analysis which has proven it would be cheaper to dish out any illegal substance for free and handle all the medical/welfare problems that it will develop. You negate the number of increased users of drugs, loss of national productivity of these individuals, increased burden on welfare/NHS/any other required supporting body.

You truly believe companies like GSK et al. will provide these drugs cheaply? They charge large sums of money and the investment into production is colossal, not just capital but achieving clinical trials and approval processes is extensive. They can't just up and copy a bunch of back street processing labs with slave labour you realise?

You are very naive to belive the only bad addictive drugs are those which are intravenous and you again reiterate people are free to put whatever they like in their bodies. Yes you are, now go make your own LSD, Heroine, whatever and see how far it gets you. You partake of many varied things which you can freely enjoy without the risks of most highly classed drugs. Please find a long term study which promotes the use of class A drugs with a positive effect on people (not dying already).

You apply a simple idea to a more complex one without fully appreciating the system in place and the effect your concept produces. This is similar to selfish mindsets, in which someone feels they have the right to anything and everything which makes them happy regardless of the effect on the society on the whole. You may not directly be harming an individual, but you are going to be a drain and thus damaging on the society you are solely relying for access to drugs and any form of after care.

You want a free access to drugs, then go to columbia or Afghanistan. There are a number of countries with access to drugs, surely the best solution for you is to move to these sources and then enjoy all you wish for?
 
Can anyone provide facts of the benefits of legalization of drugs in Netherlands. (try not to post blogs or articles by random people please, provide some respectable sources)

EDIT: when I said as far as I know crime in netherlands has increased as a result of legalization. Now I heard it from a relative said person read it from Financial Times, now I am not sure whether said person might have misunderstood the article or article manipulated the numbers for their person agenda but the article that was linked to be to disprove what I said (legalization caused increase in crime) was written by some random guy on a random website without any links to who provided statistics.
 
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godinman said:
I think Cannabis should be legalised, just because it's not a very extreme drug at all. Certainly not as powerful as alcohol, and it just makes people slow and dopey, so it doesn't make people violent and stuff. The tenuous links to mental health problems are a load of rubbish and the only proven negative health effect from smoke inhalation can be avoided using a vaporiser or eating it.
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Disagree with you there.

Cannabis tends to leave a more of a 'mental hangover' while alcohol is more physical with it's headaches and general being sick down the toilet when you have had too much.

Back in the 60's I bet smoking a joint was great but the cannabis on the streets these days are much too potent. Tripping out = a break down sooner or later.
 
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imho, Cannabis should be legal.

I personally find people's attitude against Cannabis funny when they don't seem to mind alcohol and smoking so much. Same goes for the papers.
 
Tummy said:
imho, Cannabis should be legal.

I personally find people's attitude against Cannabis funny when they don't seem to mind alcohol and smoking so much. Same goes for the papers.
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Even though it has been said many times in this thread (I wonder why...) definitely this.
 
dmpoole said:
Tourists to Be Banned From Dutch Pot Shops

The Netherlands is planning to ban foreigners from Dutch pot shops where marijuana is legally sold. Drug tourism to Amsterdam has increased, so this measure against substance abuse is needed, according to the government.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/06/07/amsterdam.pot.shops.ban/index.html
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This is mostly to do with people from bordering countries nipping over the border to go to "coffee shops" that are close by to buy weed and the fact that it can apparently cause a "local disturbance" due to the traffic. That is the reason for this train of thought at the moment.

The Dutch in general seem to think it is nuts (that the reasoning is a great load of nonsense) and that it will just start a sort of underground for supplying it to the tourists anyway :p. I've caught a few news reports / interviews about it and I am curious to see if they actually enforce this considering the general public seem to think the idea is stupid.
 
I know plenty of people I wish would smoke a spliff or two every so often. Might calm them the **** down! It's not my thing personally; other things are fun when on a night out or whatever but the obvious aspect of it coming through 'unsavoury' characters is always a worry. I would probably do more if it were legalised and available over the counter. In fact I think we would likely go through a short period of severe experimentation when everyone just saw what the fuss was all about. Some will obviously say "Crickey, can't believe I was missing out on this" and others "This is what all that fuss was about?! FFS!", but as long as it didn't lead to any knee jerk reactions after a sudden rise in coke use..
 
2StepSteve said:
Disagree with you there.

Cannabis tends to leave a more of a 'mental hangover' while alcohol is more physical with it's headaches and general being sick down the toilet when you have had too much.

Back in the 60's I bet smoking a joint was great but the cannabis on the streets these days are much too potent. Tripping out = a break down sooner or later.
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I think the thing about increased potency is made up, I probably smoke around once every couple of months, if that, a few years ago it was every weekend. Only once have I had anything that was described as super skunk, and it was damn good, but to be honest mostly the stuff I get is totally average and just meh. This is all from personal expirience, and maybe I need to find a new source :P

On the breakdown thing, I think with responsible use you're fine, and even with irresponsible use you'd be fairly fine too. People just need to be responsible, don't smoke the night before work, don't smoke if you're doing anything important the next day, don't smoke if you have mental health problems, don't smoke if you're susceptible to panic attacks, don't smoke too much if you're inexperienced, don't smoke the first time at a social event were you're nervous and don't know anyone.

You get people who smoke it everyday, like alcoholics drink everyday, and they're just waster idiots and you get people who smoke too much, just like people who drink too much on a night out. It's just a different kind of fail, either a noisy violent one, or a quiet "OMG MY MIND IS MELTING" while sitting on the floor with a pasty white face one.

To sum up. You can fail at anything if you're enough of an idiot, just be responsible for your own actions and don't blame the drug, blame yourself.
 
Personally I don't fancy seeing lots of stoned people around the streets or getting behind the car after having had some drugs. There's enough of a drink drive problem as it is.

Furthermore, the propensity for people to drink is already high here - I'd rather not give more excuses for being ill or so on.

Though I guess initially there would be a huge splurge, until people calmed down about it and it became less of an attractive thing. Just like the lottery when it started, was a lot bigger than it is now.

I don't think it would make there be any less criminality, they'd find other ways. There's still a huge amount of cigarette smuggling that goes on - so I'm sure the days of undercut drugs would be on their way.

Why would you want people to be able to sniff, inject, smoke their way to death legally anyway?
 
Raikiri said:
Why do you think making it legal would vastly change the amount of people who take drugs?

Lots of people already do (me not included), legal or not and I doubt those that don't would start having some crack just because it's legal.

Legalising drugs, marijuana at least would potentially be a huge source revenue whilst also reducing the workload on Police and seeming to improve crime rates. Not only that it would be properly governed so there would be minimum levels of quality, which would improve safety for the end users.
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of course they would

Half the reason so many of us don't do it or restrict their use is due to its illegality and price.

if it was legal and freely available the number of users would go up.
 
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