Poll: Should we close the 'Post your Picture Here' Threads?

Should we close the Post Your Picture Here (PYPH) Threads?

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@Ksanti
Personally I actually think these gear threads subdue the picture content. This forum is about 'what camera should I buy' rather than the displaying and talking of work by serious photographers.
Seriously, do you think people will want to keep coming back if all they see is 'Should I get this camera?'. At least if the forum is subdivided, all the people that want to talk about pictures are in one place, and all the people quenching their thirst for gear are in another place.
It won't be instant, but if you want this place to grow, then there needs to be competitive 'compost'. I think for allot of people the compost was poisoned with all the watermark malarky etc. It seems there was an exodus of talent. The posters that still remain feel bitter, understandably so, and no longer contribute much.
 
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I agree a little here. On TP there's a 'talk equipment' section. As this is a sub forum you'll have to stick with a gear thread.

You really just need things as they are really. Threads for each photo style and 'stickied' as we all know a lot of people either don't use the search function, or manage to search obscure terms and don't find their answer, then post a thread.

Just have it that simple, then queries or personal posts can go in the main body of the sub forum. Easy, simple, clear.
 
That doesn't make sense though, otherwise your self critique doesn't work. The images you posted of the wildlife in the harsh mid day sun had critique based on the time of day, yet if you self-critiqued the shot, you wouldn't have posted them in the first place.

Not sure I understand your logic there mate.
 
Rhys, yeah that's partly what I mean. If we put it into one thread of spec me's or gear talk threads then we can avoid them clogging up the first page of the photography forum. However, if we put it all in its own section, it's very possible that people will only use that subforum, without glancing at the quality of the content on here. I know I personally got really into photography through a combination of asking in here about what camera to get first, and then seeing discussions of various photographers and the work that people posted. I'm worried that people just clicking straight through to a gear subforum will never look at the actual photography and thus never actually become members of the community.
 
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That doesn't make sense though, otherwise your self critique doesn't work. The images you posted of the wildlife in the harsh mid day sun had critique based on the time of day, yet if you self-critiqued the shot, you wouldn't have posted them in the first place.

Not sure I understand your logic there mate.
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No, it very much worked. I self-critiqued the photo and decided it was not good enough to post because of lighting issues. Therefore I don't post such images. It is just a random photo that I have on line, nothing particularly special and was posted because this thread is a boring mess and idiots kept going on asking for proof of photos. It is also laughable because most of the photos were taken at sunrise!

There was then a load of useless advice about lighting and preparation which I learned at least 10 years ago back in the film days and is one of the first things you find out in photography. All completely useless comments, just allowing people like you to make snide comments and incorrect accusations of lying.

My self-critiqued works fine, I don't post images that I don't think are up to my standards and hence I don't post images on OCUK! Photos that do reach my internal threshold are few and far between and they are not put online in any shape or form.
 
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"people like me"? What the hell is that meant to mean? You make it sound like your photography is absolutely perfect and you know everything about everything to do with the subject.

If the comments are so useless and a waste of your time, why don't you post images which you think are perfect and go over the rules and techniques you used to take the images? That way you can teach people who aren't familiar with the concepts. A forum is a two way thing though and your insistent need for "professional critique" and lambasting anyone for even quoting something that you've done or said is amazingly egotistical and profoundly flawed.
 
D.P. I think the problem is, you've spent the last year or whatever in this section being really argumentative, really condescending and generally making it sound like you know better than everyone else in all matters photography. Then when people call you out, and say let's see what you can do, you duck the question. When you finally show what you're capable of, it's all very mediocre and you immediately make excuses. You have a point to prove now; I don't think many people were impressed with what we saw, and if you want to keep running your mouth then I think you'll have to earn the right for people to take you seriously.

As for "people like James". Well he's an enthusiast. He's on these forums to appreciate others' work, and to improve his own work. All we've seen from you is putting other people down or taking gear arguments way too far.
 
Ksanti said:
D.P. I think the problem is, you've spent the last year or whatever in this section being really argumentative, really condescending and generally making it sound like you know better than everyone else in all matters photography. Then when people call you out, and say let's see what you can do, you duck the question. When you finally show what you're capable of, it's all very mediocre and you immediately make excuses. You have a point to prove now; I don't think many people were impressed with what we saw, and if you want to keep running your mouth then I think you'll have to earn the right for people to take you seriously.

As for "people like James". Well he's an enthusiast. He's on these forums to appreciate others' work, and to improve his own work. All we've seen from you is putting other people down or taking gear arguments way too far.
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I have not really shown any of my work and I feel absolutely no compulsion to do that with the attitudes of people on this board.


Why the hell to people think I have posted any photo that I think I am proud of, I have only posted completely random photos that I happen to have online. Heck, one of them was taken when I was completely drunk halfway up a mountain!:D

I've never put anyone down, I give advice and that is about it. I am most enthusiastic about the gear because that is the only value I see in online discussions.
 
Rather than say "That wasn't even one I was proud of" over and over, which is basically just saying "I wasn't even trying, honest.", let's just see one photo of which you're proud. I'll shut up then, but we all hear so much talk of your stock portfolio and how great you are at photography (it comes off from pretty much every post you write; too good for online critique, not seeing any value here etc.), and no evidence on which to base it. You've been belligerently wrong an awful lot (imo), on the gear front in particular, but with no real proof of expertise to really get us to listen to you.

Show us one photo that you're proud of. If it's as brilliant as your ego suggests it should be, then I'll swallow my words. If it's mediocre and you come up with excuses, or you just don't post something, then the only option I have is to think of you as all ego.
 
I will look through my collection and find something I like. I freely admit that I am not a good photographer, I have NEVER ever made any claims that I was? Where do you get the idea that I think highly of my abilities - I certainly don't think much of my abilities so I don't know why I would state anything else. I am not a professional photographer, I take photos for fun, pure and simple fun.

Some people take their photography FAR to seriously it seems. Why do you have to see everything as some kind of competition. I take photos because it is fun, I don't give a damn about making money or what some internet peeps on their high horses say. I would hate for a hobby that enjoy some how turns into a competition between peers.

i feel sorry for you if you for some reason feel the need to constantly compare yourself to others! I merely strife to improve my ability over the course of me entire lifetime, I am not fussed if I don't. I know the value of the work to ME, and I know the value of work that I sell commercially .


Can you prove to me ONE SINGLE time when I have been wrong on the gear front in the 12 months?

EDIT; And the reason I don't post any of my stock work is because it is largely utterly boring from an aesthetic perspective. I have a photo of a tiled floor that I spent 5 second capturing, 10 second in post and a minute key-wording that has made $100. You got to realise that stock is not fine art for the most part, designers need photos of everyday objects, people, textures and events that they can incorporate in their design work. Does anyone here want to see a photo of a apple or a banana on a white background?
 
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The full frame arguments with regard to sharpness, if I recall correctly. You were claiming that, pixel counts aside, full frame cameras offered no increase in resolution over crop cameras. I may dig out the threads if I can find them when I get a chance.

I don't see it as a competition at all, I'm sure others will agree with me that you're generally quite self-assured, even rude at times, and act as if you know everything there is to know on gear.

There seems to be a non-sequitor between you constantly saying your work is too good for the forums/it all goes towards stock sites who don't let you share anything, and your time being too valuable to share your work to learn and improve, and then saying you never claimed you're a good photographer.
 
Sorry but I'm still laughing at the comment about "some people take their photography FAR too seriously" seen as you are the ONLY person on here who constantly bangs on about the science of photography, the neuropsychological effects of composition and calculating sun angles before you even get the camera out.

By the time you've finished doing all that garbage, I'd have already taken a superb photo using intuition, skill and artistic merit...
 
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The full frame arguments with regard to sharpness, if I recall correctly. You were claiming that, pixel counts aside, full frame cameras offered no increase in resolution over crop cameras. I may dig out the threads if I can find them when I get a chance.

I don't see it as a competition at all, I'm sure others will agree with me that you're generally quite self-assured, even rude at times, and act as if you know everything there is to know on gear.

There seems to be a non-sequitor between you constantly saying your work is too good for the forums/it all goes towards stock sites who don't let you share anything, and your time being too valuable to share your work to learn and improve, and then saying you never claimed you're a good photographer.
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I can't remember any such discussion about FF and resolution beyond saying that on a FF sensor you will need a longer lens if you really wat to see a significant increase.


When have I said that my work is too good for the forums? I have said repeatedly that I see no value in posting any of my photos on this forum and that has been proven multiple times in the last days with childish comments, personal attacks and statements that have absolutely no value to me like don't shoot at midday which I learn when i was probably 10 from my dad!

Some of my work goes to stock sites but as explained above that work is largely uninteresting and is purely for self study purposes from which I learned a lot on the past - an opportunity to get professional reviews done for free and make pocket money on the side.
 
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Sorry but I'm still laughing at the comment about "some people take their photography FAR too seriously" seen as you are the ONLY person on here who constantly bangs on about the science of photography, the neuropsychological effects of composition and calculating sun angles before you even get the camera out.

By the time you've finished doing all that garbage, I'd have already taken a superb photo using intuition, skill and artistic merit...
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yeah, yeah yeah, you are just the next Ansel Adams:rolleyes:

And yet Ksanti tells ME that somehow I have inflated opinion of my abilities, when people like James spout such nauseating rubbish!


How is trying to understand photography from the perspective of human perception anything serious? I have fun reading about photography and design. I have a degree in psychology (and artificial intelligence), and I happen to find the process of visual processing interesting. Something that I do for fun in my free time is some how serious?
 
Because you spout crap about it in a poor attempt to make yourself look better than the rest of us. I've never said I'm the next Ansel Adams and I don't even know who that is, nor do I want to. I get the feeling you sit in your house reading so much stuff about photography, yet never go out with a camera apart from your stroll to work and back to actually get photos.

The difference between me and you is if someone asks me to provide photos from pretty much any genre apart from sport, I can provide a high quality image which people can critique all they want. I like getting critique from people as it doesn't matter what experience they have, their opinion still counts. The more opinions you get, the better understanding you can gain into your own work and what to do or avoid the next time you get presented with a similar shot.

Even though you study human perception in regards to photography, you never get opinions on your work, so how the hell do you get the perception in the first place? Its like trying to digest food without an intestine.
 
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I've never said I'm the next Ansel Adams and I don't even know who that is, nor do I want to.
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I was so close to jumping in and defending you... So close...

Ansel Adams, even if you don't think his work is particularly great (I don't), is one of the best known photographers of all time and while being obsessed with his work isn't necessary to be a good photographer, being so totally ignorant of the culture and history of our medium doesn't speak well to your credibility as a photographer.
 
I don't know who discovered fire but I seem to be able to create it myself fine. Knowing who ansel adams is does not make you a good photographer, period.
 
I get lots of opinions about my work from people who I trust not from inexperienced people on online forums. I just happen to prefer to do this person to person, preferably with some printed photos or down at the pub.
 
Just some dude who travel around countrysides with a large format camera with wooden tripod strapped to donkeys for baggage and take photos of scenery in black and white.

If you look at it you'll think what all the fuss is about, people like him because he is a pioneer of a lot of techniques.
 
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