Should Wenger go? (Spoilers!)

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You have yet to give a single reason WHY Nasri would have this info. You think Arsene stops in the corridor and goes "Oh Samir, they've only given me £40m to spend this window, what am I to do?"

For the record I have never said that I know Arsenal's financial budget, what I am saying is that neither me or Nasri know.

The fact you don't know what you're talking about is reinforced my your need to resort to petty insults. Perhaps you should stay around here for more than a month before making assumptions?
 
Told u, cant be bothered anymore.

If you cant see why someone who actually plays for the club, and has been through numerous contract negotiations and sees and speaks with the manager every day can have some idea of whats going on at board level, then there is no point in even going any further with this.

Stick to the armchair, and I shall stick to the opinions of people qualified to at least have an opinion on the matter in hand.
 
It's as I thought, you haven't got a clue other than "they both work for the club, they both must know the same things"

It's ok, we get a lot of new guys who spout rubbish.
 
Stick to the armchair, and I shall stick to the opinions of people qualified to at least have an opinion on the matter in hand.

How is Nasri qualified? He's an very grumpy arse by all accounts :confused: he's qualified in that if that's what you mean?

My understanding (and I'm not an Arsenal fan, from blogs and journalists I've read) is that Wenger is willing to spend money on the "right" players, and the board are more then happy to pay "big" transfer fee's but they won't move on the wage structure the club has which is the stumbling block.

I think as it stands Arsenal have to sign players as they've really not got a squad that's good enough, so these buys are more panic buys, but I don't think either player they've signed so far (LB and CB) are bad signings though.
 
Oh god your being so utterly blind!

Whats wrong with you?

ANYONE who plays for the club or speaks to Wenger every day is going to have FAR more of an actual clue as to what's going on in comparison to either you or Drunkenmaster.

Why can't you understand this?

Why would you have to attend the financial meetings to have an idea of whats going on?

Do you not think during contract negotiations that the players find out the boards policy on wage structure?

Ahh no I forgot, they all have to be Arsenal accountants like you and Drunkenmaster.

Sigh, its like talking to a retarded child. Cant be bothered anymore. You two "experts" carry on between you. lol

You have no idea.

Do you know how much the company you work for has to spend on wages each month? Do you know how big their budget is for consumables etc?

Well why dont you, you work there i mean come on if nasri knows all about arsenals finances then why dont you know how much your company has?

:rolleyes:
 
You really do post a fantastic amount of rubbish. Clichy was statistically one of the best left backs in the league, fact. Second fact, we've played THREE league games, Clichy has started in 2 of them. Do you harbour any genuine dislike for City or is it just what you read in the Sun?

What a whopper :p

PMSL...Clichy is one of the best left backs in the league??...you having a laugh mate??...seriously??.

Im glad hes gone...he was absolute rubbish, was never going to be a decent replacement for Cashley Cole, who happens to be one fo the best if not the best LB in the league.

Am surprised your billionaire and free spending manager didnt make a move for him as we all know Cashely loves a lot of cash:p
 
You have no idea.

Do you know how much the company you work for has to spend on wages each month? Do you know how big their budget is for consumables etc?

Well why dont you, you work there i mean come on if nasri knows all about arsenals finances then why dont you know how much your company has?

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OMG so many pedantic morons around!!

No one said anything about knowing detailed financial accounts FFS.

God almighty what is wrong with you pedants?

Its pretty damn obvious that Nasri said the issue is with the BOARD. Its not about knowing figures as some people here like to think they actually do (lol), but if Nasri says there is an issue at board level, and most decent players are wanting to get the hell out of Arsenal at all costs, do you not think (i know thats hard) that there, you know.... MIGHT just be a problem with the BOARD???

Its not exactly hard to know that sort of information given your agent, your manager, your coach, and all your colleagues and their agents have all dealt with the board at one point or another.

Are some of you so thick you need every single little detail spelt out for you?

Can you not think for yourselves?

Of course Wenger is willing to spend the money on proper players, but the issue is that the big players wont come to the club on Arsenals wage structure. So the point is moot.

Why is this beyond the comprehension of some people?

JEEES!
 
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OMG so many pedantic morons around!!

No one said anything about knowing detailed financial accounts FFS.

God almighty what is wrong with you pedants?

Its pretty damn obvious that Nasri said the issue is with the BOARD. Its not about knowing figures as some people here like to think they actually do (lol), but if Nasri says there is an issue at board level, and most decent players are wanting to get the hell out of Arsenal at all costs, do you not think (i know thats hard) that there, you know.... MIGHT just be a problem with the BOARD???

Its not exactly hard to know that sort of information given your agent, your manager, your coach, and all your colleagues and their agents have all dealt with the board at one point or another.

Are some of you so thick you need every single little detail spelt out for you?

Can you not think for yourselves?

Of course Wenger is willing to spend the money on proper players, but the issue is that the big players wont come to the club on Arsenals wage structure. So the point is moot.

Why is this beyond the comprehension of some people?

JEEES!

Wow relax dude...geez your as bad as DM lol.

Take a deep breath, count to 10 and rrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx...**** me some people get worked up far too easily in here.
 
Blimey, this thread has got a bit heated!!!

Nasri may, or may not, know about the upper workings of Arsenal. However, given that most of what has come out of his mouth recently is ****, I tend to think he's still talking out of his ****.
 
ok, im calm now.

Sorry!

Guess we really need another player/decent source to make a statement.

I just think Wenger is too good a manager to have let this situation happen, unless it was out of his hands.

Das ist alles.
 
No, I agree with you on Nasri knowing the ins and outs of Arsenal's financial situation :o

Oh come on he's calmed down and you still feel the need to come back for a 2nd go.

Why wouldn't Nasri have some clue to the finances available. I'm sure his agent held talks and wanted to know the direction of the club and if they wouldn't give him a decent deal or told his agent they couldn't affird to go that high then he would have some clue to the ambitions of the club in the wage department.

So basically everyone on here has been able to spout off freely that arsenal are loaded and have all this money to spend but Nasri a bit closer to the club is an ill informed idiot.
 
I said earlier that all the reports / articles I've seen point to Arsenal having money, and Wenger only wanting to spend money on the "right" players but neither of those are the problem, the very strict wage budget it the stumbling block.

I just found it funny how he was making Nasri sound like a member of the board. I expect a player from any club has more of an idea about how things operate then most of the general public do but I honestly don't think it's "that" much more knowledge.
 
Personally and although i have no proof, i have a feeling that there might be some tension between Wenger and the board ie we have the money to spend on transfer fees but our wages structure is killing us as we being run strictly as a business, which is fair enough i suppose. But its killing our chances of competing for trophies, the only way the board will learn is when people start complaining with their wallets ie near empty emirates for one.

Someone mentioned it before that our rot started when Dein left us as he was in charge os transfers and wages i imagine...dont think he will come back but personally id like to see him back at Arsenal in charge of transfers.
 
Well Rooney wanted assurances about what was being spent and that they would actually build on the outgoing team they had. If I was a player I would have my agent ask the same questions rather than blindly sign for a team stagnating, wouldn't you?

I think Rooney though did Fergie a favour with money, Nasri's public announcement I doubt will do Arsenal getting players any favours on the count they haven't won anything.
 
Personally and although i have no proof, i have a feeling that there might be some tension between Wenger and the board ie we have the money to spend on transfer fees but our wages structure is killing us as we being run strictly as a business, which is fair enough i suppose. But its killing our chances of competing for trophies, the only way the board will learn is when people start complaining with their wallets ie near empty emirates for one.

Someone mentioned it before that our rot started when Dein left us as he was in charge os transfers and wages i imagine...dont think he will come back but personally id like to see him back at Arsenal in charge of transfers.

Indeedy.
 
Personally and although i have no proof, i have a feeling that there might be some tension between Wenger and the board ie we have the money to spend on transfer fees but our wages structure is killing us as we being run strictly as a business, which is fair enough i suppose. But its killing our chances of competing for trophies, the only way the board will learn is when people start complaining with their wallets ie near empty emirates for one.

Someone mentioned it before that our rot started when Dein left us as he was in charge os transfers and wages i imagine...dont think he will come back but personally id like to see him back at Arsenal in charge of transfers.

Its not though, as stated before, we used to compete, we always spent less than Utd on wages, you can have a team of 28 year olds who you bought at 25 on big wages with big transfer fee's, or as Arsenal you can buy people just before their names get big, for much smaller fee's and smaller wages.

There isn't a right or wrong way to do it. The simple problem is that Wenger used to spot, Lauren's, and Pires's, and bring in Henry's, and Vieira's, and Silvinho's, and Edu, Gilberto, Freddie, Eboue, etc, etc.

In the past 5-6 years he's been picking up FAR worse quality players for no more than he could have been buying good players. Theo, 15mil, Squillaci around 6-8mil?, Hleb around 10mil, Diaby, Denilson, Song were cheap but suck wages out of the club and prevent us spending more on other players.

We could have bought, Given, 5mil, Adam Johnson, 7-8mil iirc, Kompany 5mil, Zarate is now highly rated, he would probably have only been 5, maybe 10mil at the time he went on loan to Brum. Hernandez, Cleverley, for the quality Lampard has shown over the past almost decade, 12mil was ridiculously cheap.

There are, every single season ridiculously high quality players going for very very cheap. I just can't remember the last 5-10mil player Arsenal bought who became absolutely amazing, we used to get them constantly, City/Utd are still buying them, why aren't Arsenal?

The quality of the players we've been buying is dramatically down, the numbers of ridiculously good quality players you can get for sub 10mil ISN'T. You can't possibly blame prices. Lazio and Real were paying 30mil+ for players over 10 years ago, when Arsenal were still getting good deals. City pay stupid amounts, and still got Given and Kompany for next to nothing.

Real paid £46mil which at the time was 76million Euro's, in 2001.

Pretending Chelsea and City have come in and ruined transfer fee's is laughable. Wages as an excuse is laughable, Arsenal used to offload expensive players as they approached high wage situations and buy BETTER PLAYERS, and make a profit, nothing stopping us doing that now.

Considering the team and the new stadium supports 50% higher wages than it did the last time we won anything, sorry but all these excuses are just that.

Arsenal isn't being forced to buy young and sell when they get older, this was his entire philosophy, it used to work when he bough the right younger players, lately he's been buying much worse and its not working.

So when he WANTED to do this and won stuff, he was a genius, now when he wants to do it, and screws it up constantly, its the boards fault?

Where would Arsenal be if we spent 5mil on Kompany, instead of more than that on Squillaci, what if we got rid of Diaby 4 years ago, saved 12million in wages, and bought Merieles instead. What if we spent 10mil on Arteta several years ago, instead of Hleb. What if we also didn't waste close to the same amount on Walcott, and saved the probably 10-12mil we actually paid for him, and had another 25mil to spend on someone this year, etc, etc, etc.

Theres ONE reason Arsenal aren't doing well, quality of players, price, wages have nothing to do with that, at all. We bought a lot of not very good players, instead of very very good players. There basically isn't more than 2-3 players in the squad we couldn't have gotten a better player for less money. Wenger did exceptionally well in his first 7-8 years at bringing in the right players at the right time, in the past 6 years, Vermaelen is just about the only player we paid money for and got right.

Ageuro is an AWESOME player, and cost 35mil, actually it might have been Euro's, not sure, Crespo went for the same fee, in 1999, though that was also almost 60mil Euro's, Figo went for almost the exact same a year later, 60mil Euro's. Sorry but spending hasn't changed, price of players hasn't changed, the big clubs always overpaid, didn't stop us being BETTER than clubs like Lazio and Inter previously, and now we're much worse. Hell, when you factor in inflation for 12 years, Aguero is MUCH cheaper than Crespo was, and when you compare it in Euro's with inflation, Aguero is under half the price of what the Crespo deal would be today, and barely 1/4 of what the Zidane deal was worth.

We're spending 50% more on wages, we're buying more expensive players a little more often, the quality of the players we buy is the ONLY difference, and Wenger is choosing who to bring in.


Well Rooney wanted assurances about what was being spent and that they would actually build on the outgoing team they had. If I was a player I would have my agent ask the same questions rather than blindly sign for a team stagnating, wouldn't you?

I think Rooney though did Fergie a favour with money, Nasri's public announcement I doubt will do Arsenal getting players any favours on the count they haven't won anything.

Rooney wanted more money, simple as that, Utd were winning titles, anything else he said is a joke. RVP wanting assurances when Arsenal came 4th for the umpteenth time in a row, makes sense, Rooney, having won 3 prem leagues in a row and being in champs league finals wants assurances they can....... move up the league...... laughable.
 
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Well Rooney wanted assurances about what was being spent and that they would actually build on the outgoing team they had. If I was a player I would have my agent ask the same questions rather than blindly sign for a team stagnating, wouldn't you?

I think Rooney though did Fergie a favour with money, Nasri's public announcement I doubt will do Arsenal getting players any favours on the count they haven't won anything.

To be fair we did look a bit slow clumsy and in need of something to move us forward. Without rooney we didnt look too sharp although berba filled his boots on occasion. the comment i heard was that rooney didnt want to drag us to winning another title almost singlehandedly and wanted assurances that the team wasn't going to be left to stagnate.

this season we look much more lively and less stodgey thanks to the removal of Carrick from the system and the introduction of Young on the wing. rooney just wanted fast forward football like he remembered with ronaldo in the team...not the very staid sideways passing carrick based affair that was less positive...
 
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