Should Wenger go? (Spoilers!)

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Jokester said:
There is an interview in this months BMI magazine with Tony Adams. Just happened to be questioned on what he thought of Wenger he described him as being a **** coach, a **** motivator, but was good with the diet/fitness side of things. Wasn't a particularly glowing report on him as a manager but he thought he was a nice guy.
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I had lunch with the St Mirren manager and former captain, Tony Fitzpatrick, he was Alex Ferguson's first captain in an obvious long line of brilliant captains through 30 years or so, he said Ferguson was not a great coach, but that seeing in the dressing room at a recent live game he was saying exactly the same things as he said to them in the late 70's. You dont have to be a good coach to be a good manager, obviously where Ferguson excels over Wenger is in the motivational stuff, which is/was his forte.
 
opethdisciple said:
Was Carol worth £35 mill? Hell no, but, he is squad player that gives them an arial threat.
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Sorry but that really made me smile.

ON topic I was half listening to the radio last night and they where discussing the types of injuries that arsenal players seem to be getting consistently. I think 'soft tissue' was mentioned but unfortunately I wasn't listening well enough whilst I made my dinner. Is there a trend in the sorts of injuries the players are getting there?
 
People have been saying for years there is something up with the backroom at Arsenal in terms of the number of injuries players keep getting. I hate to keep harping on about it butfact is Arsenal haven't been able to field their first choice team in the league for over SIX YEARS now (and I'm not even joking, I just looked at some old posts of mine and in October 2007 it was already at 2.5 years!). I can't imagine there is another team in the Prem that has had to put up with that, although Spurs probably had a pretty long streak as well.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Exactly players like Mata have no connection to our clubs. They have an agent talk to teams and see how much money if offered and chances of success. I'd be willing to bet Mata still wouldn't have gone to Arsenal even if they won the league and got to the CL final if Chelsea or City offered 50k+ per week more. On wages they cannot compete and without an owner willing to write off debt every week they never will be able to.

Exactly the same reasoning why Manu could keep hold of Rooney but not a Ronaldo. Ronaldo had no ties to this country, where as if Barca offered 250k for rooney per week he was never going to move to somewhere he couldn't order egg and chips for dinner ;)

He would never settle in a foreign country. Ronaldo though had got as united could afford. Doesn't his new contract finish on about half a million per week. United couldn't afford that.
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But Mata is not on 200k. is on around 80-90k a week at chelsea.
 
Metalface Mark said:
I know more than you.

Did you know that when he was at Villa he spent more than any other club in the league other than Man City? :rolleyes:

He spent the most at Celtic and Strachan still did better than him in less time with less money. :rolleyes:

O'Neil was decent at Leicester and Wycombe, but has never successfully managed a top level club to anything resembling success for the size of club.

So, whats your proof that he is not an average chequebook manager, I will be amazed to see what your response is :p
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im a villa fan, so i know more than you mate.

Villa fans were extremely happy with O'Neil at villa, he made a couple of bad signings i.e heskey but made brilliant signings with A.Young, Downing, Milner, Dunne, Petrov, Carew etc.......................got us to a league cup final, where we would have won if we wasn't robbed by the ref.

you know nothing he got us constant top 6 finishes and in the 08/09 season we fought arsenal extremely hard for fourth spot.
 
To be fair, ANY manager in the history of association football would seem like less of a chequebook manager than David O'Leary, so the fact you are a Villa fan proves little in this regard :)

Personally, I think MON is a good motivator but I wouldn't trust him with a long term project, he strikes me as the sort of guy who needs to have everything at the club his own way i.e. he calls the shots not the board, and would walk out on a point of principle if he wasn't happy with something.

Yes he spent a lot of money at Villa, a huge number of £3.5m+ signings HOWEVER in my eyes most of them were solid purchases, good squad players and he managed to make Villa into a top 6 side, which was about the best that could be hoped for. Just looked at an old post of mine, it was SIXTEEN £3.5m+ purchases he made which must be up there with any manager in the country, that's essentially a matchday squad back in the days of 5 subs.
 
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Shamikebab said:
So Samir did the accounts at Arsenal then did he?

Bet he was regularly invited to the meetings with the owners and Arsene.
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Somehow I think he knows a little more than you on the subject. Im sure most of the players have a very good idea of what's going on, otherwise why would they all WANT TO LEAVE? Your logic is a megafail. Stick to making Kebabs!

Mertersacker will be a great signing however, so thats good news for them anyway.
 
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I'm a Blackburn fan, so fairly neutral. I think you have to see how the board are treating him, if they're not giving him money to spend then he cannot sign players. If money is available and he's then not spending it then it clearly is a question of whether he should quit whilst we can all remember him as the great manager that he clearly was.
 
Shamikebab said:
So Samir did the accounts at Arsenal then did he?

Bet he was regularly invited to the meetings with the owners and Arsene.
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So you don't believe he would have a little more knowledge of how much the club actual have or want to spend compared to all the people on here that are going OMG we have 80 million to spend, spend it?
 
I find it odd that Nasri is able to compare and contrast the current Arsenal Football Club with the pre-Emirates-stadium-debt version, considering he never experienced the latter.
 
B&W said:
im a villa fan, so i know more than you mate.

Villa fans were extremely happy with O'Neil at villa, he made a couple of bad signings i.e heskey but made brilliant signings with A.Young, Downing, Milner, Dunne, Petrov, Carew etc.......................got us to a league cup final, where we would have won if we wasn't robbed by the ref.

you know nothing he got us constant top 6 finishes and in the 08/09 season we fought arsenal extremely hard for fourth spot.
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Lol, that doesnt mean anything.

So he spent the second most amount in the league for a runners up league cup trophy, wait, your right, what was I thinking, he's a brilliant manager after all :p

The key fact, spending the second most amount over the period he was there should in fact mean he had at least one challenge, he had none.

He's a chequebook manager, nothing more, this is statistical and historical FACT.
 
You don't want O'neill, trust me. For all the good signings he made he made just as many duds. He's also just a stubborn as Wenger, same XI week in week out and you could say goodbye to the passing football you played. For a team like Villa when he joined he was perfect, he went as far as his abilities could take him in the PL though. Signed too many poor players on massive wages.
 
Wait? Sorry I thought they were just talking about Martin O'Neil? They were talking about him replacing Wenger? :D

Hahaha :o
 
HangTime said:
He obviously still thinks he may have a future at the club since he's only gone out on loan. Personally I found it strange though, I'd have thought getting Bendtner off the books and having Vela in the squad instead would have been the priority.

Must admit I'd really struggling to understand the LB situation, he's let Clichy go for a pittance by Man City terms, even allowing for the fact it was the last year of his contract. OK you think so Gibbs is now first choice with Traore as backup. Yet supposedly Traore may be going to QPR and with Gibbs being somewhat injury prone (and better at LM than LB anyway) it just seems to lack foresight.

Somebody somewhere made the point that although Liverpool may have overpaid for some of their players at least they got the deals sorted out earlier in the summer so have been able to get their team bedded in ready for the new season. Then you look at Arsenal and it is a bit of a shambles, their two most creative midfielders left after the start of the season leaving no time for replacements not to mention the fact that we had to pay their salaries all summer.

It makes you wonder sometimes, what if Arsenal had just gone to Everton in June and said OK here you go, £16m for Jagielka, then gone to West Ham and said OK here you go, £8m for Scott Parker. We know there was £24m to spend because we spend that on Gervinho and Chamberlain. Maybe not the best pieces of business in the world but we wouldn't have to be relying on kids to play in the spine of the team in the Champions League or at Old Trafford.

Surely if Chamberlain (a player we don't need right now and likely won't tie down a place in the first team for a couple of years) is worth £12m then proven internationals with many years experience in the Prem who could have literally slotted into the team after a full preseason would be worth those kind of sums?
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We sold Clichy becuase he cant defend, great sale in my opinion.

Two things make me laugh now when I think of Clichy.

1. He was at fault for the Man U winner against City in the Charity Shield.
2. He is almost always sitting on the bench at City.

With regards to Clichy, we transfered our woes to City.
 
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