Should Wenger go? (Spoilers!)
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Yes we know. Bad news.
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If you wanted him and rated him you should have signed him this summer. Simple as that.
Well at least it will save them the worry of whether they fall out of the title race after Christmas, they won't be anywhere near it
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Bolton where being unrealistic with their valuation for a player who will be free next summer.
It is Bolton who should have sold him this summer rather than lose him for free next summer, not Arsenal or Spurs who should have stumped up the cash.
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No.
Arsenal needed to realise the value of having him in the team.
Neither club are right but if Arsenal waiting 6 months costs them a CL place then the reduction in transfer value doesnt off-set the lost revenue. If Bolton think they will survive in the PL with or without him then they are doing the right thing.
A club like Arsenal are really pulling out of deals over a few million when they are both rich and in need of players?
Are you not embarrassed to hear that your main signing had to take a pay cut when he was leaving the PL team in the worst financial position?
If Arteta had not taken a pay cut Arsenal would have been unable to sign him from Everton this summer.
IS that not wrong????
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...manual_140552.html&TEAMHD=premiership&BID=312
Looks like DM was right about Wilshire, the couple of days, couple of weeks out with an ankle injury has suddenly increased to 2 months.
Looks like DM was right about Wilshire, the couple of days, couple of weeks out with an ankle injury has suddenly increased to 2 months.
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I get your points. We have money to spend and need 4 good centerbacks in the squad, plus it helps us make the champions league, thus paying for the signing in the long run.
But that is the problem in a nutshell. Teams like Arsenal are still operating within their means, where as teams like City, operate well above their means and so paying 25million for Nasri, who just like Cahill was in the last year of his contract and would be free at the end of the year, is small change.
Arsenal cant do that and have to act responsibly unfortunately.
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Arsenal have a 60K stadium and just taken over £50m in transfers. What part of "living within their means" involves paying less in wages than Everton who couldnt get a Barclaycard supposing their life depended on it?
Unless Arsenal get an up and coming Manager to replace AW I cant see them getting a really experienced person to replace him with the state the team is in currently (a couple of decent prospects and one or two "stars" not withstanding).
The big problem is that with the money the likes of Chelsea, City and Liverpool are able to pump into each club and Utd's repeated success, Arsenal need to prove they can stay ahead of at least one or preferably two of the above (ie keep getting back in the CL) to attract the players and possibly a future manager in the next few years, otherwise they will only sink further and further away from the summit
The big problem is that with the money the likes of Chelsea, City and Liverpool are able to pump into each club and Utd's repeated success, Arsenal need to prove they can stay ahead of at least one or preferably two of the above (ie keep getting back in the CL) to attract the players and possibly a future manager in the next few years, otherwise they will only sink further and further away from the summit
The type that unfortunately for Arsenal fans probably involves a board that's happy with it's club making good profits every year rather than progressing as a title winning team. We'll see how short sighted they may have been with their penny pinching this season I presume.
No - I'd say it is closer to pride than embarrassment.
Fact is when signing a player of that age and calibre with a suspect injury record in recent times on a 4-year deal £60k/week is about right, that limits the exposure in terms of wages to £12m.
In fact if you flip your argument on its head, one might suggest that the fact a player is leaving a team in the 'worst financial position' implies that said team may have been paying some of their players over the odds. £70k/week was ridiculous for a team with no realistic hope of qualifying for the CL, doesn't have massive gate receipts and is making a loss each year.
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You cant make that fly. Come on!
The Arteta deal could have gone nipples-vertical over Arsenal not going from £60k to £70K.
In the current climate are you really saying you would have let the deal go if he hadnt taken a pay cut?
If you are it sums up how far the club has fallen IMO.
I have no hatred for Arsenal TBH (i know that has no credibility) but it staggers me that a player leaving Everton has to take a pay cut to make a deal happen.
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Maybe of Arteta proves his worth this season then next season we an offer him 100k
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Is that how you would attract him to your club?
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look i dont know the ins and outs of our club. Sack wenger is the key here
Back on point, good man
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If there's an injury at Arsenal that goes over a week this is almost always the way.
Missing Wilshire for that long isn't going to be pretty for Arsenal, Arteta/Mert/Santos could all take a long time to gel with the team, Benny has barely played for over a year so could be completely out of form aswell as needing to get used to playing with the team.
I hope they all come good quickly, but it could be mess for a while, I'd feel WAY happier about Mert/Santos/Arteta getting up to speed quickly with Wilshire commanding midfield, rather than.... Song, who will be the senior guy in central midfield, even then Song/Pong/Gerv aren't available for Swansea either. INjury hit, new players, never played together before, suspensions, our squad for Swansea isn't going to be particularly good even before the fact that they'll barely even have a training session together before the next game.
Thankfully I think Brazil are playing in the UK again so Santos won't be traveling back from Brazil, hmm, its at Craven Cottage, when did that happen. We used to get good income having Brazil's games in the UK, how did we lose that to Craven ruddy Cottage?
It also turns out Wilshire's injury first appeared in June, and just broke down properly at the Emirates cup, so another ridiculously long ongoing injury problem that was completely ignored for ages till it got worse, and THEN we tried to do something about it, how god damned often does that have to happen at Arsenal.
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Why isn't Frimpers available? Swansea squad should be this IMO:
......................Chesney
Sagna...Mertesacker...Vermaelen...Santos
.......Ramsey....Frimpong...Arteta
......Walcott....Van Persie....Arshavin
Almunia
Koscielny
Gibbs
Rosicky
Benayoun
Chamakh/Park
Oxlade-Chamberlain (second most expensive player in our squad, lol).
Possible that Vermaelen or Gibbs may not be fit, so have Djourou on standby for that.
Wenger will put Fabianski on the bench instead of Almunia which is wrong IMO.
Could maybe make a case for starting Benayoun ahead of Walcott but Theo can be a bit of a flat track bully, he gets goals playing at home against weaker teams (and also in 'big' games - just not 'normal' games!).
Also midfield may shift around a bit not sure whether Ramsey and Arteta might switch sides.
Then again now that Wenger has done the biggest surgery to his team in years maybe it might be an opportunity to change formation, ditch the 4-3-3 and try something different.
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