***Sid Meier's Civilization VII***

Thing is, its not going to change, Total Warhammer literally had stacks and stacks of DLC, hell some Total War games didnt even have red blood in them unless you paid to have the red blood, and the less said about the DLCs for things like Europa Universalis, Heart of Iron, Stellaris, Crusader Kings, Victoria etc the better, all of which were good games even without the huge changes and additions to core mechanics in many of those DLCs. Doesnt make it right of course but it does point to the reality of the market.

The crux of the current situation is that people will fall into 1 of a set of groups and will vehemently defend their choice of group and endlessly reinforce their choice of group against/to people who are in one of the other groups

Group 1 - People who dont like the way Civ 7 is doing things and will flatly refuse to buy it

Group 2 - People who dont like the way Civ 7 is doing things but will buy it anyway

Group 3 - People who arent sure about some of the Civ 7 changes/way Civ 7 is doing it and will wait and see what the feedback is like before buying the game somewhere down the line

Group 4 - People who dont mind the way Civ 7 is doing things, believe that they will still get their monies worth and will buy it

(I'm in group 4)

The important thing is to be happy with your choice of group and hope that everyone else is happy with their choice of group :)
 
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They are not day one DLC, its post launch content unless I have missed something really obvious?

Some are day one and some are post launch. The ones which are post launch are marked.

Founders Edition includes:
  • Full base game
  • Early Access - play the game up to 5 days early on February 6, 2025
  • Tecumseh and Shawnee Pack
  • Crossroads of the World Collection, with post-launch content featuring 2 new leaders, 4 new civilizations, 4 new Natural Wonders, a special cosmetic bonus, and more
  • Right to Rule Collection, with post-launch content featuring 2 new leaders, 4 new civilizations, 4 new Wonders, a special cosmetic bonus, and more!*
  • Deluxe Content Pack, which includes:
    • 2 leader personas
    • 4 profile customizations
    • 1 alternate scout skin
  • Founders Content Pack, which includes:
    • 2 leader personas
    • 4 profile customizations
    • 1 fog of war tile set
    • 1 Founders palace skin

Post Launch
Day 1
 
Thing is, its not going to change, Total Warhammer literally had stacks and stacks of DLC, hell some Total War games didnt even have red blood in them unless you paid to have the red blood, and the less said about the DLCs for things like Europa Universalis, Heart of Iron, Stellaris, Crusader Kings, Victoria etc the better, all of which were good games even without the huge changes and additions to core mechanics in many of those DLCs. Doesnt make it right of course but it does point to the reality of the market.

The crux of the current situation is that people will fall into 1 of a set of groups and will vehemently defend their choice of group and endlessly reinforce their choice of group against/to people who are in one of the other groups

Group 1 - People who dont like the way Civ 7 is doing things and will flatly refuse to buy it

Group 2 - People who dont like the way Civ 7 is doing things but will buy it anyway

Group 3 - People who arent sure about some of the Civ 7 changes/way Civ 7 is doing it and will wait and see what the feedback is like before buying the game somewhere down the line

Group 4 - People who dont mind the way Civ 7 is doing things, believe that they will still get their monies worth and will buy it

(I'm in group 4)

The important thing is to be happy with your choice of group and hope that everyone else is happy with their choice of group :)

I think I am possibly in group 2.5. I don't like what Civ 7 is doing and will almost certainly buy it anyway. I want to wait and see what the feedback is but I still might pre order the founders edition
 
Just looking at ordering from CD Keys, but there seem to be two versions of each tier, a regular one and a "Europe and UK" version, which is slightly cheaper. Does anyone know what the difference is? Both say the key will work in the UK and as I'm in the UK I'm assuming I'll go for the cheaper "Europe and UK" version, but just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle difference I was missing?
 
Just looking at ordering from CD Keys, but there seem to be two versions of each tier, a regular one and a "Europe and UK" version, which is slightly cheaper. Does anyone know what the difference is? Both say the key will work in the UK and as I'm in the UK I'm assuming I'll go for the cheaper "Europe and UK" version, but just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle difference I was missing?
Get the EU & UK version ... it will work fine.
 
Just looking at ordering from CD Keys, but there seem to be two versions of each tier, a regular one and a "Europe and UK" version, which is slightly cheaper. Does anyone know what the difference is? Both say the key will work in the UK and as I'm in the UK I'm assuming I'll go for the cheaper "Europe and UK" version, but just wanted to check there wasn't some subtle difference I was missing?

The Europe and UK won't activate outside what Steam has declared to be Europe and UK. (Russia and some other countries are geographically in Europe but not if recall in the Europe region for Steam) So if you live in America that key won't work. The Global key will activate anywhere.
 
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The more I see of it, the more I like the way they've expanded the pool of people they're looking at for potential leaders.
 
I’m not usually one to jump in on day one but I am defo getting this.

There hasn’t been a bad* civ game yet and I can’t see this being any different.

*yes I know beyond Earth was not well received but that didn’t make it a bad game.
 
Enjoying the official leader announcement videos a lot, building up the hype for next Thursday's early access.

Has anyone else found they've had to bury their heads in the sand with civ YouTubers Civ 7 content though? Watched Ursa do half an hour of what the early game is like and an early look at the good and bad with Botheus then have had to ignore everything else to try and let me enjoy the learning experience
 
So I have decided not to pre order this.

I’m on the fence about it overall. I’d like it to be good but I remain unconvinced. I think I will wait for others to be the guinea pigs on it.

I’ll probably buy it in 3-6 months time though unless it is *really* bad.
 
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