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Thekwango said:
for the control and removal of pest animals. poison is not always an option depending on where the pest animals are.
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Agreed, and I’m not a farmer which is why I’m mainly arguing about cities. Out of interest, do the majority of farmers own guns or is it the exception? I only knew one (my high school girlfriends step dad) and he was very keen to show me his guns…
 
Freakbro said:
And when was the last one in the US, about 5 mins ago? Which is why I can never understand the "MoAr gUns WiLl maKe uS sAFeR" crowd.
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Well as these things only make local news gdpr makes it harder to link as they just block europe.

Today is a man shows a 12 year old girl his gun,she accidentally shoots her 12 year old friend in the head, she died.


And the other is a man left his gun on the bedroom dresser small child picked itup and accidentally shot his mother she didn't survie
 
Ahleckz said:
If one person died because of a failing of our gun legislation then yes, I’d suggest we should look at it. You can’t legislate away risk, nor can you reduce it to nil in society but you can severely limit it. By allowing people to have shotguns in their house, for no reasonable reason (still waiting for these reasonable reasons as I don’t think there are any) in cities seems quite a daft idea to me and would certainly reduce risk if we outlawed this and made our strict laws even stricter.
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Maybe someone owns a Clay Pigeon shoot and lives 30 minutes away in the city (like Leeds for instance and travels to North Yorkshire which isn't far at all), is this supposed to be some crazy perplexing situation?
 
Ahleckz said:
Agreed, and I’m not a farmer which is why I’m mainly arguing about cities. Out of interest, do the majority of farmers own guns or is it the exception? I only knew one (my high school girlfriends step dad) and he was very keen to show me his guns…
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i would say it's the majority, at least in my experience.
 
Roar87 said:
Maybe someone owns a Clay Pigeon shoot and lives 30 minutes away in the city (like Leeds for instance and travels to North Yorkshire which isn't far at all), is this supposed to be some crazy perplexing situation?
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store it at the range, is that so perplexing??
 
Roar87 said:
Maybe someone owns a Clay Pigeon shoot and lives 30 minutes away in the city (like Leeds for instance and travels to North Yorkshire which isn't far at all), is this supposed to be some crazy perplexing situation?
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Yes the guy who makes videos calling himself a "terminator" really shouldn't be alowed a gun
 
Ahleckz said:
Out of interest, do the majority of farmers own guns or is it the exception? I only knew one (my high school girlfriends step dad) and he was very keen to show me his guns…
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The majority of farmers have guns in my experience and I know a lot of farmers.
 
Roar87 said:
Maybe someone owns a Clay Pigeon shoot and lives 30 minutes away in the city (like Leeds for instance and travels to North Yorkshire which isn't far at all), is this supposed to be some crazy perplexing situation?
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Ive already addressed this. Store it at the range.

Thekwango said:
i would say it's the majority, at least in my experience.
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I thought that’d be the case, and I’m not advocating taking their guns off them. They are tools of the trade and probably essential (though does the sunflower farmer need one? :D). I’m mainly arguing against the option to keep a gun in the home, in a city. To which none of the advocates have provided a reasonable reason to have one.
 
Thekwango said:
store it at the range, is that so perplexing??
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I probably wouldn't want to leave a load of expensive firearms at an unoccupied location personally, that seems like a reasonable situation in which someone living in a city might wish to keep a shotgun at their home. Maybe I'll put them in the back of my Range Rover and drive them home to my apartment and keep them in a gun locker through the week or while we're closed. Absolutely a reasonable thing to do.
 
Police just confirmed the shooter was a holder of a firearm license, but didn’t confirm the gun used was licensed (but didn’t confirm it wasn’t).
 
Ahleckz said:
Agreed, and I’m not a farmer which is why I’m mainly arguing about cities. Out of interest, do the majority of farmers own guns or is it the exception? I only knew one (my high school girlfriends step dad) and he was very keen to show me his guns…
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My father in law is a farmer and doesn't. And my wife's Maid of Honour's family doesn't.

They're the only farmers I know well enough to know if they have guns.
 
Ahleckz said:
33 in 2017. I don’t have time to look into details of them all, but I dare say some could have been prevented had we had even tighter gun control.

Help me understand then as No one has told me why anyone needs to legally own a gun in a city…

I also advocate that we ban bombs btw…. :rolleyes:
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I mean, I don't live in a city, but I'm going through the process of getting a firearms licence, why? Because I enjoy shooting, and because I want to.
 
Roar87 said:
I probably wouldn't want to leave a load of expensive firearms at an unoccupied location personally, that seems like a reasonable situation in which someone living in a city might wish to keep a shotgun at their home. Maybe I'll put them in the back of my Range Rover and drive them home to my apartment and keep them in a gun locker through the week or while we're closed. Absolutely a reasonable thing to do.
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I mean that is where most of society keeps its expensive or dangerous things.

Unattended Time lock + alarm >your family+ keys/code and boiling water.
 
Ahleckz said:
I’m mainly arguing against the option to keep a gun in the home, in a city. To which none of the advocates have provided a reasonable reason to have one.
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because there won't be a reasonable reason apart from some random strange outlier that they will eventually grab on to and argue to exhaustion as a reason for everyone in a city to own a gun.
 
Ahleckz said:
Ive already addressed this. Store it at the range.

I’m mainly arguing against the option to keep a gun in the home, in a city. To which none of the advocates have provided a reasonable reason to have one.
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Sounds like a waste of time presenting any reasons when you demand they fit your opinion of reasonable and of course pigeon-holes anyone replying as an "advocate".

But lets use a very small amount of thought and go with:

Expense, accessibility, availability, security and practicality (for example, what is this assumption about a range?)
 
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